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AloeVera

(4,398 posts)
42. You can't just "disagree" with a genocide.
Sun May 17, 2026, 01:27 PM
13 hrs ago

You must condemn. At the very least.

You seem to see but you don't "see".

..current Israeli government's approach, which appears to be to eradicate everybody currently living in the Gaza Strip and West Bank and replace them with Jewish settlers."

That IS GENOCIDE.

But you then backtrack and call into question what your own words have just described.

Israel does not have a constitution. Respected Holocaust historian and genocide scholar Omer Bartov sees that as the problem. A constitution may have allowed Israel to become a "normal state" that provides equality to all its citizens, define its borders and acknowledge and redress the Nakba. But instead of remedying its foundational violence, modern Israel has become increasingly militaristic, expansionist, racist, and now genocidal. Gideon Levy, a thorn in the side of Netanyahu, goes even further.

You have seen this but others may find it enlightening.
https://www.democracynow.org/2026/5/15/omer_bartov_gideon_levy_israel_zionism

We could argue all day about whether Hamas is genocidal or not, it's purely theoretical (and flimsily based on one quote from the Koran, which was omitted in its revised charter as you know), unlike the real-life genocide. I find it very odd that the latter can be met with indifference while the former is brandished as some sort of justification for it.

Your last paragraph is especially heartbreaking. Such is the power of sustained, relentless propaganda on behalf of Israel, that the existence of the propaganda itself is denied.

It makes me want to cry. I truly feel a deep sadness. We are allies in everything else, and yet even now, with all the evidence before your eyes, you will not "see".

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Lucky enough to meet a couple of multigraincracker 18 hrs ago #1
Ditto malaise 18 hrs ago #2
The propaganda portrays Israel is "the good guys" and Muslims as "the bad guys" Orrex 18 hrs ago #3
Yes Israel has controlled the narrative here and elsewhere for a long time FakeNoose 17 hrs ago #8
Do you know any Jewish people? yardwork 16 hrs ago #11
Yes we have many Jewish groups in Pittsburgh and I have several friends and neighbors of the Jewish faith FakeNoose 13 hrs ago #36
So you are accusing your Jewish friends and neighbors of the following? yardwork 12 hrs ago #44
This message was self-deleted by its author Biophilic 12 hrs ago #47
Where are you seeing that? yardwork 16 hrs ago #9
Just out of curiosity... Orrex 14 hrs ago #21
Good question. I rarely use the AI results, but here goes... yardwork 14 hrs ago #23
We need to be careful not to conflate Jews as a people with the state of Israel Orrex 13 hrs ago #29
I was responding to your post above. yardwork 13 hrs ago #31
Ah yes--you did respond. My bad. Orrex 13 hrs ago #35
You have not. yardwork 13 hrs ago #37
I'm sorry that you don't care to engage with the subject seriously Orrex 13 hrs ago #38
Orrex doesn't act in good faith - it has nothing to do with the issue at hand jfz9580m 1 hr ago #61
Thank you and an excellent response. Biophilic 13 hrs ago #39
Orrex- Go fuck yourself sideways you misogynistic shit stirring twat jfz9580m 1 hr ago #60
Muslims: Bad press since The Crusades no_hypocrisy 18 hrs ago #4
Well, those and that little "conversion by the sword" thing. ColoringFool 17 hrs ago #5
What gets overlooked Old Crank 17 hrs ago #6
The Christian Crusaders butchered both Jews and Muslims. yardwork 16 hrs ago #12
And a lot of other Christians Old Crank 6 hrs ago #58
THIS!!!!!!! eom BlueMTexpat 16 hrs ago #13
"Conversion by the sword" is a misconception/trope used against Muslims since the Middle Ages. AloeVera 16 hrs ago #16
Islamic people developed most of what we think of as modern advances. yardwork 14 hrs ago #22
I believe there is still a tremendous amount of guilt about what happened in WWII. Biophilic 17 hrs ago #7
it didnt start w ww2. mopinko 15 hrs ago #19
What didn't start with WWII? Biophilic 14 hrs ago #24
attacks on jews. mopinko 13 hrs ago #28
It's interesting, isn't it. yardwork 13 hrs ago #32
yup. mopinko 13 hrs ago #33
Oh, good grief, no. Like a couple of millennium. Biophilic 11 hrs ago #49
it mystifies me, too. mopinko 9 hrs ago #52
All I can do is agree with you. It's honestly a mystery. And Christianity never looks good. Biophilic 9 hrs ago #53
Most of what you've written here is inaccurate. yardwork 14 hrs ago #25
As I stated in my post these are the myths I grew up with. Myths! Not truths. Biophilic 13 hrs ago #43
So you don't agree with what you wrote above? yardwork 12 hrs ago #45
Many decades of conditioning, propaganda and manipulation have brought us here. OGBuzz 16 hrs ago #10
You can say that again. yardwork 16 hrs ago #14
You're saying it becase you imagine that it serves your agenda. Orrex 13 hrs ago #41
Seems like every country needs to have a focal point to hate BeneteauBum 16 hrs ago #15
Israel has plenty of reason to fear their neighbors. yardwork 15 hrs ago #17
Basically I agree with you BeneteauBum 13 hrs ago #40
I agree with this post. yardwork 12 hrs ago #46
For them, the end justifies the means. AloeVera 15 hrs ago #18
Are you quoting Hamas? yardwork 15 hrs ago #20
You can't just "disagree" with a genocide. AloeVera 13 hrs ago #42
I think that you and I have different personalities. yardwork 12 hrs ago #48
Don't be too sure of that! AloeVera 10 hrs ago #51
Not everyone BlueWaveNeverEnd 14 hrs ago #26
Its also American terrorism SSJVegeta 14 hrs ago #27
Bigotry, willful ignorance, cognitive dissonance, disingenuousness, motivated reasoning, etc. RockRaven 13 hrs ago #30
"Israel has plenty of reason to fear their neighbors." J_William_Ryan 13 hrs ago #34
What do you think would be an appropriate way TBF 10 hrs ago #50
Before the massacre, thousands of Palestinians were being held w/o charges, questionseverything 9 hrs ago #54
Nice evasion but I'm curious - who started the fire? TBF 8 hrs ago #55
so u believe everything u read in the nyt now? mopinko 8 hrs ago #56
There are pictures, there's victim testimony, there's ashamed Isreal guards testimony questionseverything 7 hrs ago #57
Nothing will be enough. AloeVera 5 hrs ago #59
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