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AloeVera

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16. "Conversion by the sword" is a misconception/trope used against Muslims since the Middle Ages.
Sun May 17, 2026, 10:23 AM
Yesterday

It came in handy from the time of the Crusades to colonialist expansion - and today of course.

Historical facts are at odds with this claim. Conversion unfolded organically, mostly through trade, justice and law. It expanded far beyond the borders of the Muslim empire or political influence. No Muslim army crossed the Sahara, East Africa, Southeast Asia or China yet it spread in those places. Where Muslim armies conquered, the languages, culture and religion of the natives was left intact for generations and conversion was slow, not imposed by the "sword".

Since you raised Balfour, it is relevant to the discussion that the unilateral, imperial decision of one peer of the crumbling British Empire of the early 20th century could erase the rights and aspirations - the very existence - of the Muslim natives of that "Holy Land".

As for 1948, I have seen a lot of "misconceptions" around that fateful year too.





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Lucky enough to meet a couple of multigraincracker Yesterday #1
Ditto malaise Yesterday #2
The propaganda portrays Israel is "the good guys" and Muslims as "the bad guys" Orrex Yesterday #3
Yes Israel has controlled the narrative here and elsewhere for a long time FakeNoose Yesterday #8
Do you know any Jewish people? yardwork Yesterday #11
Yes we have many Jewish groups in Pittsburgh and I have several friends and neighbors of the Jewish faith FakeNoose 21 hrs ago #36
So you are accusing your Jewish friends and neighbors of the following? yardwork 20 hrs ago #44
This message was self-deleted by its author Biophilic 20 hrs ago #47
Where are you seeing that? yardwork Yesterday #9
Just out of curiosity... Orrex 23 hrs ago #21
Good question. I rarely use the AI results, but here goes... yardwork 22 hrs ago #23
We need to be careful not to conflate Jews as a people with the state of Israel Orrex 22 hrs ago #29
I was responding to your post above. yardwork 21 hrs ago #31
Ah yes--you did respond. My bad. Orrex 21 hrs ago #35
You have not. yardwork 21 hrs ago #37
I'm sorry that you don't care to engage with the subject seriously Orrex 21 hrs ago #38
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Oh staaahp, you relentless flirt! Orrex 2 hrs ago #64
I would rather not be banned jfz9580m 1 hr ago #65
I admire the courage of your convictions, willing to stand by your totally level-headed statements Orrex 1 hr ago #67
Nice weather we are having where I live.nt jfz9580m 32 min ago #68
Thank you and an excellent response. Biophilic 21 hrs ago #39
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And a lovely good morning to you as well? Orrex 2 hrs ago #63
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Muslims: Bad press since The Crusades no_hypocrisy Yesterday #4
Well, those and that little "conversion by the sword" thing. ColoringFool Yesterday #5
What gets overlooked Old Crank Yesterday #6
The Christian Crusaders butchered both Jews and Muslims. yardwork Yesterday #12
And a lot of other Christians Old Crank 15 hrs ago #58
Not to mention a lot of women, pagans, so-called witches. yardwork 3 hrs ago #62
THIS!!!!!!! eom BlueMTexpat Yesterday #13
"Conversion by the sword" is a misconception/trope used against Muslims since the Middle Ages. AloeVera Yesterday #16
Islamic people developed most of what we think of as modern advances. yardwork 22 hrs ago #22
I believe there is still a tremendous amount of guilt about what happened in WWII. Biophilic Yesterday #7
it didnt start w ww2. mopinko 23 hrs ago #19
What didn't start with WWII? Biophilic 22 hrs ago #24
attacks on jews. mopinko 22 hrs ago #28
It's interesting, isn't it. yardwork 21 hrs ago #32
yup. mopinko 21 hrs ago #33
Oh, good grief, no. Like a couple of millennium. Biophilic 19 hrs ago #49
it mystifies me, too. mopinko 17 hrs ago #52
All I can do is agree with you. It's honestly a mystery. And Christianity never looks good. Biophilic 17 hrs ago #53
Most of what you've written here is inaccurate. yardwork 22 hrs ago #25
As I stated in my post these are the myths I grew up with. Myths! Not truths. Biophilic 21 hrs ago #43
So you don't agree with what you wrote above? yardwork 20 hrs ago #45
Many decades of conditioning, propaganda and manipulation have brought us here. OGBuzz Yesterday #10
You can say that again. yardwork Yesterday #14
You're saying it becase you imagine that it serves your agenda. Orrex 21 hrs ago #41
Seems like every country needs to have a focal point to hate BeneteauBum Yesterday #15
Israel has plenty of reason to fear their neighbors. yardwork Yesterday #17
Basically I agree with you BeneteauBum 21 hrs ago #40
I agree with this post. yardwork 20 hrs ago #46
For them, the end justifies the means. AloeVera 23 hrs ago #18
Are you quoting Hamas? yardwork 23 hrs ago #20
You can't just "disagree" with a genocide. AloeVera 21 hrs ago #42
I think that you and I have different personalities. yardwork 20 hrs ago #48
Don't be too sure of that! AloeVera 18 hrs ago #51
Not everyone BlueWaveNeverEnd 22 hrs ago #26
Its also American terrorism SSJVegeta 22 hrs ago #27
Bigotry, willful ignorance, cognitive dissonance, disingenuousness, motivated reasoning, etc. RockRaven 21 hrs ago #30
"Israel has plenty of reason to fear their neighbors." J_William_Ryan 21 hrs ago #34
What do you think would be an appropriate way TBF 18 hrs ago #50
Before the massacre, thousands of Palestinians were being held w/o charges, questionseverything 17 hrs ago #54
Nice evasion but I'm curious - who started the fire? TBF 17 hrs ago #55
so u believe everything u read in the nyt now? mopinko 16 hrs ago #56
There are pictures, there's victim testimony, there's ashamed Isreal guards testimony questionseverything 15 hrs ago #57
Nothing will be enough. AloeVera 13 hrs ago #59
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