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45. MaddowBlog-Vance escalates White House offensive against Pope Leo
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 06:45 PM
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If the White House sees a political upside to its increasingly outlandish papal rebukes, it’s mistaken.

As JD Vance presses the pope to be “careful when he talks about matters of theology” — no, seriously, that’s what he said — a simple question hands overhead:

What exactly is the White House’s strategy here? Do Trump and Vance think the pope will be bullied into silence?
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Steve Benen (@stevebenen.com) 2026-04-15T12:59:00.596Z

https://www.ms.now/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/vance-trump-pope-catholic-church

Not to be outdone, his vice president — the first Catholic Republican to ever hold the office — has joined the rhetorical offensive.

On Monday night, JD Vance appeared on Fox News and insisted that “it would be best for the Vatican to stick to matters of morality … and let the president of the United States stick to dictating American public policy.” Putting aside the fact that the president isn’t supposed to be “dictating” anything, the Ohio Republican’s advice didn’t make a lot of sense: The pope drew Trump’s ire by speaking out on matters such as a deadly and destabilizing war in the Middle East and the plight of immigrants seeking a better life, both of which are, by any reasonable measure, “matters of morality.”

A day later, he upped the ante in an unexpected way. NBC News reported:

Vice President JD Vance said Tuesday that Pope Leo XIV should ‘be careful’ when he talks about theology, rebuking the pontiff over his criticisms of U.S. foreign policy.

Vance argued that the pope, who has said Jesus ‘is never on the side of those who once wielded the sword and today drop bombs,’ was failing to take into account conflicts such as World War II
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....Do Trump and Vance believe Leo will be intimidated into silence? Are they trying to send a signal to other religious leaders opposed to the war? Do they believe they can discredit the pontiff, who enjoys stronger public support than they do? Do the Republicans think they’ll appear “tough” by picking a fight with the Vatican? Is this all some sort of elaborate distraction campaign?

I won’t pretend to know their motivation, but if Trump and Vance see a political upside to their increasingly outlandish papal scoldings, they’re mistaken.

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Vance is a Catholic convert at that..... FarPoint Wednesday #1
but he's probably more fervent in his certainty. cab67 Wednesday #16
Recent converts tend to be more devout (fanatical, if you like) than long-time members Ocelot II Wednesday #34
CINO ananda Wednesday #35
one suspects the pope woulda sold out that arena in athens.... nt msongs Wednesday #2
Is Vance actually pontificating to the Pontiff? alwaysinasnit Wednesday #3
I saw this on the chryon on Morning Joe and actually laughed. underpants Wednesday #9
I don't believe in an afterlife agingdem Wednesday #37
Maybe Earth is the all-purpose afterlife. Heaven for some and Hell for others. Norrrm Wednesday #39
pretty sure Chicago Pope has been Catholicing a lot longer than Jaydee eShirl Wednesday #4
Vance is a fucking moron, just like his boss. AZ8theist Wednesday #5
"Be careful or else"? no_hypocrisy Wednesday #6
JD Vance has been Catholic just as long as a class of second graders who just took their First Communion. mahatmakanejeeves Wednesday #7
Yes, BUT he's written a book about it 👀😳🙄 underpants Wednesday #10
"... anchored in the truth"??? Like VTderry Wednesday #44
"Somalians are eating people's pets" Vance. oasis Wednesday #46
The quote AND his later admission that it was a lie VTderry 23 hrs ago #50
If God is on our side, She will stop the next war Walleye Wednesday #8
Yes! niyad Wednesday #14
The guy who can't decide on a f*cking name for himself Buddyzbuddy Wednesday #11
The wronger they are, the downer they double. nt eppur_se_muova Wednesday #19
Ex-communicate the Heretic! Chasstev365 Wednesday #12
I was Rebl2 Wednesday #26
Quiet, punk. orangecrush Wednesday #13
Poor JD. Finally found the religion of his dreams, wrote a book all about it tanyev Wednesday #15
Yeah, leave that to the experts ! nt eppur_se_muova Wednesday #17
I'm still trying to get over the headline... llmart Wednesday #18
World War 2? This cretin is comparing Iran to WW2? Grasping at straws much? AZLD4Candidate Wednesday #20
Um, um, um.... NNadir Wednesday #21
We didn't attack the Nazis you idiot! Now we're the Nazis. JohnnyRingo Wednesday #22
Catholic-splaining the Pope? mcar Wednesday #23
Hey JD, if you don't like it, quit your job and find your own religion!!! LeftInTX Wednesday #24
There's a misconception about "Papal infallibility" FakeNoose Wednesday #25
This religious BS is getting on my last nerve. ☮ walkingman Wednesday #27
Thought this was the onion SSJVegeta Wednesday #28
Quiet, Maybelline SheltieLover Wednesday #29
;-{) PREACHING TO THE CHOIR Goonch Wednesday #30
NEXT: Trump Announces U.S. Military's Capture of "Disgraceful" Pope dalton99a Wednesday #31
I don't think its smart to be telling the Pope what to do Bayard Wednesday #32
Higher than Trump? Norrrm Wednesday #40
I'm confused. hamsterjill Wednesday #33
I'm going to dispute the "Vance, who is Catholic" part. Vance's true religion is... JHB Wednesday #36
The Pope should just excommunicte his fat ass. BigDemVoter Wednesday #38
Vance is an idiot. jcboon Wednesday #41
Got hilf uns. maxsolomon Wednesday #42
Careful who you piss off there...Remember, no one expects the Spanish Inquisition Scalded Nun Wednesday #43
MaddowBlog-Vance escalates White House offensive against Pope Leo LetMyPeopleVote Wednesday #45
What about your boss, America's Hitler, according to you? Sowhat13 Wednesday #47
JD should be careful when couching his comments about the pontiff, lest he be truthisfreedom Wednesday #48
Rule of thumb is not to listen to opinions on theology from PufPuf23 Wednesday #49
Vance Mz Pip 23 hrs ago #51
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