Vance warns the pope should 'be careful' when talking about theology
Source: NBC News
Trump administration
Vance warns the pope should 'be careful' when talking about theology
Vance, who is Catholic, said the pope was wrong in saying Jesus wasnt on the side of those who wield the sword, pointing to the U.S. helping defeat the Nazis during World War II.
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Vance says pope should be careful when talking about theology
April 14, 2026, 11:01 PM EDT
By Raquel Coronell Uribe
Vice President JD Vance said Tuesday that Pope Leo XIV should be careful when he talks about theology, rebuking the pontiff over his criticisms of U.S. foreign policy.
Vance argued that the pope, who has said Jesus is never on the side of those who once wielded the sword and today drop bombs, was failing to take into account conflicts such as World War II.
Was God on the side of the Americans who liberated France from the Nazis? Was God on the side of the Americans who liberated Holocaust camps and liberated those, those innocent people, you know, those who had survived the Holocaust? I certainly think the answer is yes, he said at a Turning Point USA event in Athens, Georgia.
Vance, who is Catholic and met with the pope in May, said that he likes it when the pope weighs in on issues such as abortion, immigration or matters of war and peace but that he sometimes disagrees with him.
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Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/vance-warns-pope-careful-talking-theology-rcna331881
FarPoint
(14,857 posts)low level Catholic essentially..... he really does not understand .....
cab67
(3,794 posts)Converts to any religion or movement tend to be that way.
Ocelot II
(130,805 posts)of any religion or denomination. And Vance, being an arrogant, condescending know-it-all with respect to pretty much everything, figures that his wonderful, miraculous conversion entitles him to tell the head of an enormous 2,000-year-old religious organization that he's doing it wrong. By the way, Pope Leo has a Master of Divinity from Catholic Theological Union and a doctorate in canon law from the Pontifical University of St. Thomas Aquinas, and he taught canon law at a seminary for years, so Vice President Abuser of Upholstered Furniture should be deeply embarrassed for making that remark, but you know he isn't.
Catholic in name only
msongs
(73,874 posts)alwaysinasnit
(5,634 posts)underpants
(196,805 posts)🙄😂
agingdem
(8,913 posts)Last edited Wed Apr 15, 2026, 01:29 PM - Edit history (1)
but I'm willing to make an exception for Vance (and Trump)...I'm thinking a Hell where JD is standing, his feet super glued to a bed of nails, a loudspeaker bellowing his word vomit, surrounded by videos of the Pope and Erika Kirk on a never-ending loop...
Norrrm
(5,232 posts)
eShirl
(20,315 posts)AZ8theist
(7,449 posts)no_hypocrisy
(55,056 posts)Past Popes haven't groveled to the Mob. Why would this one bend the knee to Vance or Trump?
mahatmakanejeeves
(70,180 posts)@kevinmkruse.bsky.social
JD Vance only converted to Catholicism in 2019. He's been Catholic just as long as a class of second graders who just took their First Communion.
If Vance disagrees with the actual pope, he's free to fuck off and find a yet another faith he can cynically exploit for his own political career.
Daniel Rober
@profdanrober.bsky.social
· 10h
This should be embarrassing for the Very Serious Conservative Catholics who carry water for this administration.
8:22 PM · Apr 14, 2026
JD Vance only converted to Catholicism in 2019. He's been Catholic just as long as a class of second graders who just took their First Communion.
— Kevin M. Kruse (@kevinmkruse.bsky.social) 2026-04-15T00:22:17.050Z
If Vance disagrees with the actual pope, he's free to fuck off and find a yet another faith he can cynically exploit for his own political career.
@profdanrober.bsky.social
This should be embarrassing for the Very Serious Conservative Catholics who carry water for this administration.
7:27 PM · Apr 14, 2026
This should be embarrassing for the Very Serious Conservative Catholics who carry water for this administration.
— Daniel Rober (@profdanrober.bsky.social) 2026-04-14T23:27:41.464Z
underpants
(196,805 posts)
VTderry
(130 posts)"Somalians are eating people's pets"??? That kind of being careful with the truth, JD?
oasis
(53,774 posts)This should follow him throughout his career, which I hope is coming to an end after 2028.
VTderry
(130 posts)of the kind he'd happily repeat to "create stories so that the American media actually pays attention.
He also referred to his and Trump's lying about this as "posting cat memes," which is an insult to cats, memes, and basic human intelligence.
He's the reason why I don't feel much relief at the thought of Trump leaving office early. President Couch Botherer will be a zero-percent improvement and might actually be exponentially worse (because he can mostly keep his mouth shut about the criminal evil he's involved in.)
Walleye
(45,067 posts)Buddyzbuddy
(2,730 posts)is going to lecture the man whose whole life has been about theology and Catholicism.
What a damn loser. Vance, not the Pope.
These guys think it's commendable to double down when they're obviously wrong.
Before this is over, couch boy is gonna have to change his name and religion all over again. Should be easy, he's already one of Satan's soldiers.
eppur_se_muova
(42,081 posts)Chasstev365
(7,924 posts)Rebl2
(17,822 posts)wondering if the Pope could do that. Can he? Do you think he would if he can?
orangecrush
(30,622 posts)tanyev
(49,401 posts)and now the guy in charge isnt running it it the way JD thinks it should be run.
eppur_se_muova
(42,081 posts)llmart
(17,646 posts)"Vance warns". That swarmy little punkass, eyeline wearing, couch lover fraud thinks he's a tough guy who's going to intimidate the Pope. Does he even see how ridiculous we think he is? No wonder he can't even sell out two rows at one of his "speeches".
He's about as religious as his phony boss.
AZLD4Candidate
(6,809 posts)NNadir
(38,214 posts)JohnnyRingo
(20,918 posts)"...is never on the side of those who once wielded the sword and today drop bombs" seem like very carefully chosen words to me.
mcar
(46,163 posts)Nice work, J Divan, you tool.
LeftInTX
(34,539 posts)FakeNoose
(41,905 posts)Catholics are taught to believe that the Pope can never be wrong when he's speaking about matters of faith and belief. Catholics believe that the Pope is guided by the Holy Spirit and therefore his decrees on faith will always be correct, merciful, and just.
Well OK, non-Catholics aren't so sure about that, but let's move on. Whenever the Pope speaks about politics and current events, there's no such thing as "Papal Infallibility" because he's giving his opinion, which he's entitled to do. But nobody thinks the Holy Spirit is guiding him, it's just one man's opinion.
I respect Pope Leo's opinions, just as I had great respect for Pope Francis. However no American Catholics are required to believe that his opinions are "infallible" because they aren't. He's telling us how he sees things, based on his growing up in Chicago, becoming a priest, and being a missionary in Peru, and now living in the Vatican. I feel that I can trust Pope Leo far more than I can trust Chump or any GOP member.
walkingman
(10,969 posts)SSJVegeta
(2,891 posts)SheltieLover
(81,176 posts)Goonch
(5,253 posts)
dalton99a
(94,625 posts)Swiss Guards surrender swords and spears
Bayard
(29,910 posts)He reports to a higher authority than you do, JD.
Norrrm
(5,232 posts)hamsterjill
(17,645 posts)Okay, so JD, WAS there a holocaust? Or wasn't there a holocaust? Because most of the Trumpers that I know think it was all fake and that Hitler was awesome.
Or did the holocaust occur only when it's convenient for your argument?.
And by the way, when it comes to theology, I'm afraid Pope Leo is WAY out of your league.
JHB
(38,256 posts)Last edited Wed Apr 15, 2026, 02:18 PM - Edit history (1)
...sucking up to power. Whether it's Trump or Thiel, Vance's sacrament is putting his lips on their anatomy: ass, toes, elsewhere... How much do you want to bet that the only reason he pretends to be Catholic is for the optics?
It's not a matter of conscience, because he doesn't have one.
BigDemVoter
(4,702 posts)jcboon
(353 posts)maxsolomon
(38,907 posts)I made the mistake of reading the FB comments on a WSJ article on this subject. Trumpers call Leo the "Chicago Pope", as if that city's Liberalism disqualifies any comments.
Scalded Nun
(1,712 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(180,562 posts)If the White House sees a political upside to its increasingly outlandish papal rebukes, its mistaken.
As JD Vance presses the pope to be âcareful when he talks about matters of theologyâ â no, seriously, thatâs what he said â a simple question hands overhead:
— Steve Benen (@stevebenen.com) 2026-04-15T12:59:00.596Z
What exactly is the White Houseâs strategy here? Do Trump and Vance think the pope will be bullied into silence?
www.ms.now/rachel-maddo...
https://www.ms.now/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/vance-trump-pope-catholic-church
On Monday night, JD Vance appeared on Fox News and insisted that it would be best for the Vatican to stick to matters of morality and let the president of the United States stick to dictating American public policy. Putting aside the fact that the president isnt supposed to be dictating anything, the Ohio Republicans advice didnt make a lot of sense: The pope drew Trumps ire by speaking out on matters such as a deadly and destabilizing war in the Middle East and the plight of immigrants seeking a better life, both of which are, by any reasonable measure, matters of morality.
A day later, he upped the ante in an unexpected way. NBC News reported:
Vice President JD Vance said Tuesday that Pope Leo XIV should be careful when he talks about theology, rebuking the pontiff over his criticisms of U.S. foreign policy.
Vance argued that the pope, who has said Jesus is never on the side of those who once wielded the sword and today drop bombs, was failing to take into account conflicts such as World War II.
....Do Trump and Vance believe Leo will be intimidated into silence? Are they trying to send a signal to other religious leaders opposed to the war? Do they believe they can discredit the pontiff, who enjoys stronger public support than they do? Do the Republicans think theyll appear tough by picking a fight with the Vatican? Is this all some sort of elaborate distraction campaign?
I wont pretend to know their motivation, but if Trump and Vance see a political upside to their increasingly outlandish papal scoldings, theyre mistaken.
Sowhat13
(13 posts)Does vance think trump should stop playing the "annointed by the blood of Jesus" foil, to snare the true believer types?
Maybe he should just bypass the "annointed" part, and go straight into the trump IS Jesus scam, like trump did when he
posted a picture of himself in flowing robes, and healing the sick?
truthisfreedom
(23,536 posts)excommunicated for improper upholstery.
PufPuf23
(9,889 posts)someone you would not buy a couch from.
Mz Pip
(28,488 posts)is a pompous ass.