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paleotn

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56. You do realize the bulk of that isn't centrist.
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 02:21 PM
8 hrs ago

And a blind regurgitation of past legislation doesn't prove your point. What is centrist is Clinton's Sec Treasury, Robert Rubin, and the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act Clinton signed. Both, particularly the later, led to the 2008 crash. No one went to jail for perpetuating perhaps the greatest financial fraud in American history except one poor sap, Kareem Serageldin. And now we have shadow banking which may prove even worse. Nice job, centrists. Plus, Dodd Frank was watered down the point of being ineffectual, by eliminating the bank tax to pay for it all, plus dropping the Volker Rule. See shadow banking and whole heap of other abuses.

The ACA originally had a public option. That got ditched as much due to milquetoast centrist Dems as Republicans. The final product was better than nothing, but it in no way addressed the structural problems in our healthcare system that have only gotten worse. By the way, Obama didn't run as a centrist. He ran to the left in 2008 with a message that resonated with Americans. That's how he won in places Dems haven't won since 2008. Since then, we've run on "Trump is a horrible person" and little else. No shit. What else have we got? A lot, but we don't advertise it much. Why is that? Afraid of being called "Commies" perhaps?

But history is just that. History. And past performance isn't necessarily indicative of future returns. Is the centrist Dem message catching fire with Americans right now? Perhaps you should ask Janet Mills about that. And feel free to continue the Gish Gallop / puke through your computer.

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This is the GOP strategy for November elections. yardwork 12 hrs ago #1
That's already happening here. ananda 9 hrs ago #36
he considers all democrats to be commies. rampartd 12 hrs ago #2
If we're all"commies", then how does he explain HE WAS ONE for most of his adult life?? AZ8theist 5 hrs ago #96
as with so much about this freak, no one seems to care. rampartd 5 hrs ago #97
This is not a surprise. Because it works. Callie1979 12 hrs ago #3
Progressive policies are, for the most part, Democratic policies. RandomNumbers 11 hrs ago #7
"Progressive" works for me. An argument with oasis 10 hrs ago #24
Progressive and liberal Democratic policy goals are same, but I see (like in this thread) supposed betsuni 9 hrs ago #41
I come from a family of New Deal Democrats. haele 9 hrs ago #46
Wow orangecrush 7 hrs ago #64
The DS are kicking centrist ass in primaries everywhere orangecrush 7 hrs ago #66
3 isn't everywhere creeksneakers2 7 hrs ago #77
And this is where our pitiful education system comes around to bite us. slightlv 4 hrs ago #98
You're right; they cant. And WE have to understand that. Callie1979 2 hrs ago #116
That one calls for a deep discussion... with a lot of listening, not just talking... slightlv 1 hr ago #121
Like Democratic centrist has gotten us anywhere? paleotn 10 hrs ago #15
I disagree creeksneakers2 8 hrs ago #49
You do realize the bulk of that isn't centrist. paleotn 8 hrs ago #56
Nothing blind about the list creeksneakers2 7 hrs ago #58
Most are not centrist positions. Is that difficult to understand? paleotn 5 hrs ago #92
That's what the people here call them. And Joe Lieberman killed the public option. creeksneakers2 5 hrs ago #95
Oh really. And that makes it so. paleotn 4 hrs ago #102
https://legalclarity.org/aca-vote-in-the-senate-deals-repeal-and-subsidies/ creeksneakers2 26 min ago #123
We are not GOP lite creeksneakers2 21 min ago #124
Forgot to ask. What did Janet Mills say? paleotn 4 hrs ago #104
With respect to Governor Mills, she isn't really a part of the conversation. mr715 2 hrs ago #114
Was this on the list? creeksneakers2 7 hrs ago #59
Democratic Socialists are winning primaries orangecrush 7 hrs ago #67
If you think "lack of energy" is why we lost we're still in trouble. Callie1979 2 hrs ago #117
We lost in 2024 because Biden ran for re-election and his campaign collapsed. thought crime 10 hrs ago #30
True, but there were a few other reasons as well. Callie1979 9 hrs ago #37
Nope, that's not it N/T angrychair 9 hrs ago #39
And Milquetoast/Establishment Democrats modrepub 10 hrs ago #33
Division is getting Democracy NOWHERE. Cha 7 hrs ago #65
Ummm orangecrush 7 hrs ago #63
It worked once upon a time TVguyCards 4 hrs ago #101
Great post orangecrush 4 min ago #129
Trump manages to use both scare words - communist and socialist. Norrrm 11 hrs ago #4
Most of the national electorate doesn't make a meaningful distinction RandomNumbers 11 hrs ago #8
We labeled Trump correctly as a fascist. paleotn 10 hrs ago #17
We didn't go strong enough. The Madcap 10 hrs ago #32
Frankly, most Americans don't know what a fascist is any more than they know what a communist or a socialist are, even Karasu 3 hrs ago #110
Exactly Callie1979 9 hrs ago #38
Too late orangecrush 7 hrs ago #69
This is where out education system in America fails us. The GOP has used "Communism" walkingman 11 hrs ago #5
Cheers to Bernie, AOC and all the Democratic Socialists Grim Chieftain 11 hrs ago #6
THIS orangecrush 7 hrs ago #70
Old move, roots in the 1930s kwolf68 11 hrs ago #9
Great points. I was going to say they really are going back to the 50's underpants 11 hrs ago #10
Exactly! paleotn 10 hrs ago #20
I'm worried about the GOP base creeksneakers2 7 hrs ago #82
He's afraid of Democratic Socialists because the_liberal_grandpa 11 hrs ago #11
We want change!!!!!! bdamomma 8 hrs ago #53
The battle has begun orangecrush 7 hrs ago #71
No, he thinks Democratic Socialists will save him. dem4decades 11 hrs ago #12
100% that! oasis 10 hrs ago #29
Not orangecrush 7 hrs ago #81
Please provide me a list of Dems who describe oasis 7 hrs ago #84
Thanks for baiting me orangecrush 6 hrs ago #86
Commies are the new immigrants. betsuni 8 hrs ago #54
Sure orangecrush 7 hrs ago #80
Yeah, I'm sure. dem4decades 7 hrs ago #83
I'm sure I'm saying bye. orangecrush 6 hrs ago #85
How many of the MAGAs are ready to surrender social security, food programs Baitball Blogger 11 hrs ago #13
They did all that the instant Elon's DOGE became a thing. Karasu 3 hrs ago #109
He's married and has daughters, so that's a trick question. Igel 11 hrs ago #14
Laying the groundwork for terrorizing the people orthoclad 10 hrs ago #16
especially Trumps private taxpayer paid militia, ICE and CBP. OGBuzz 9 hrs ago #43
Yep. Make us pay the bill for our own oppression, orthoclad 7 hrs ago #74
It's just a tired old scare tactic that went out of vogue in the late 50s. He's not afraid of communists, he's afraid of Martin68 10 hrs ago #18
Trump has no idea what true "communism" is or how it functions. Even China is far from "communist". OGBuzz 9 hrs ago #44
No Republicans know the damn difference anymore, if they ever did. Now they openly celebrate ignorance. Karasu 3 hrs ago #108
My all time favourite was when he made this comment about Kamala Harris: OGBuzz 3 hrs ago #111
Man...I had somehow forgotten about that. Only idiots who don't know the difference would be dumb enough to think that Karasu 3 hrs ago #112
Send Bernie Sanders to yell at him. milestogo 10 hrs ago #19
Yes, Bernie Sanders is the poster child of the Democratic Socialists... kentuck 7 hrs ago #61
He knows shit about the Constitution. spanone 10 hrs ago #21
He shits ON the Constitution. orangecrush 7 hrs ago #79
That too! spanone 6 hrs ago #88
He brought this on with his policies. Joinfortmill 10 hrs ago #22
What makes you think they scare him? EdmondDantes_ 10 hrs ago #23
Trump nor his maga klan could define the word "socialist" IcyPeas 10 hrs ago #25
Trump/GOP are Nazis DemocracyForever 10 hrs ago #26
Comuniwhat? What year does he think it is? Dave Bowman 10 hrs ago #27
OP coming soon orangecrush 7 hrs ago #78
It amazes me how the GQP still gets traction out of the exact same bullshit they've been saying since the fucking '40s. Karasu 3 hrs ago #107
Because Democrat Socialists are antithetical and a threat to fascism and no_hypocrisy 10 hrs ago #28
This. They're the only real threat to it in a country where the Overton window skews so ridiculously far to the right. Karasu 3 hrs ago #106
Good observation orangecrush 2 min ago #131
Like A Zombie Corpse Of Joe McCarthy 2na fisherman 10 hrs ago #31
Doubly ridiculous to the majority of voters orangecrush 7 hrs ago #76
Let's just mention how much he likes Putin. Probatim 9 hrs ago #34
I don't think it scares him one bit. LisaL 9 hrs ago #35
Not all voters angrychair 9 hrs ago #42
For every action there is a reaction. The MAGAts are terrified because they know that the Democratic Socialists flashman13 9 hrs ago #40
THIS orangecrush 7 hrs ago #75
Let's hope history repeats itself, then. Wednesdays 4 hrs ago #100
The recent special elections and Democratic primaries all tell me that people are done with business as usual. flashman13 4 hrs ago #105
... orangecrush 12 min ago #128
Great post orangecrush 13 min ago #126
MAGA.... BobTheSubgenius 9 hrs ago #45
Democratic Socialists and progressive Democrats are a direct result of Buddyzbuddy 9 hrs ago #47
Hey Donny, you're gonna lose! Get used to it! Initech 9 hrs ago #48
Post removed Post removed 8 hrs ago #50
Are you saying that there are a lot of elected Democrats RandomNumbers 8 hrs ago #52
Bye orangecrush 7 hrs ago #73
Just completely bdamomma 8 hrs ago #51
If I received a dollar every time "centrist" is used as an insult for Democrats, by 2028 I'll be a billionaire. betsuni 8 hrs ago #55
He sees them as a foil that can be easily labeled as communists. everyonematters 7 hrs ago #57
I thought it was going to be women of color. KS Toronado 7 hrs ago #60
My thought was Jack Smith Tbear 6 hrs ago #90
Don't flatter yourselves. Fearmongering and manipulating the GOP base isn't being scared. thebigidea 7 hrs ago #62
His henchmen and family going to prison orangecrush 7 hrs ago #72
IRS Agents with Integrity Kid Berwyn 7 hrs ago #68
True orangecrush 6 hrs ago #87
We've always been at war with Emmanuel Goldstein The Blue Flower 6 hrs ago #89
Nailed it orangecrush 6 hrs ago #91
As they get rid of the immigrants,... LudwigPastorius 5 hrs ago #93
It's what they do. Nt orangecrush 3 min ago #130
McCarthyism 2.0? Roy Cohn Esq. was Fred and Don's lawyer and also McCarthy's, as well as mob bosses in NY. Evolve Dammit 5 hrs ago #94
History repeating itself orangecrush 35 sec ago #132
That is the thing. OldBaldy1701E 4 hrs ago #99
A friendly reminder (and a serious one) TVguyCards 4 hrs ago #103
It's the familiar patriotism of worried gangsters struggle4progress 3 hrs ago #113
How many remember that Chump used to be a D, and he voted D FakeNoose 2 hrs ago #115
He thinks Gavin Newsom is a communist. Zelda_Orchid 1 hr ago #118
Don't leave out Sen Jon Ossoff, and Hakeem Cha 1 hr ago #119
Power to "We the People" will be demonized Emile 1 hr ago #120
We need to grab the frame Bluetus 34 min ago #122
Thank you orangecrush 20 min ago #125
It doeant work on voters SSJVegeta 12 min ago #127
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