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orangecrush

(31,978 posts)
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 10:19 AM 6 hrs ago

Guess who scares the piss out of Trump more than anyone?

Hint -

It's not centrists.



"Speaking beneath the granite monument at Mount Rushmore on the eve of Independence Day on July 4, Trump invoked national identity and ideology ahead of the November midterm elections.



........


A larger chunk of Trump’s address was focused on what he considers ideological threats at home.

“There is now a resurgence of the communist menace in our land, including from newcomers to our country who embrace ideas totally opposed to our way of life,” the president said, calling communism “the enemy of the Constitution”.

.....

He labelled the rise of democratic socialists the “greatest threat to our country since its founding”, comparing the movement’s potential impact with World War II and the September 11 attacks."


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2026/7/4/trump-praises-army-rails-against-communism-in-us-250th-anniversary-speech

He considers Democratic Socialists the greatest threat to his crime syndicate.

Interesting.




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Guess who scares the piss out of Trump more than anyone? (Original Post) orangecrush 6 hrs ago OP
This is the GOP strategy for November elections. yardwork 5 hrs ago #1
That's already happening here. ananda 3 hrs ago #36
he considers all democrats to be commies. rampartd 5 hrs ago #2
This is not a surprise. Because it works. Callie1979 5 hrs ago #3
Progressive policies are, for the most part, Democratic policies. RandomNumbers 5 hrs ago #7
"Progressive" works for me. An argument with oasis 4 hrs ago #24
Progressive and liberal Democratic policy goals are same, but I see (like in this thread) supposed betsuni 3 hrs ago #41
I come from a family of New Deal Democrats. haele 3 hrs ago #46
Wow orangecrush 1 hr ago #64
The DS are kicking centrist ass in primaries everywhere orangecrush 1 hr ago #66
3 isn't everywhere creeksneakers2 1 hr ago #77
Like Democratic centrist has gotten us anywhere? paleotn 4 hrs ago #15
I disagree creeksneakers2 2 hrs ago #49
You do realize the bulk of that isn't centrist. paleotn 2 hrs ago #56
Nothing blind about the list creeksneakers2 1 hr ago #58
Was this on the list? creeksneakers2 1 hr ago #59
Democratic Socialists are winning primaries orangecrush 1 hr ago #67
We lost in 2024 because Biden ran for re-election and his campaign collapsed. thought crime 4 hrs ago #30
True, but there were a few other reasons as well. Callie1979 3 hrs ago #37
Nope, that's not it N/T angrychair 3 hrs ago #39
And Milquetoast/Establishment Democrats modrepub 3 hrs ago #33
Division is getting Democracy NOWHERE. Cha 1 hr ago #65
Ummm orangecrush 1 hr ago #63
Trump manages to use both scare words - communist and socialist. Norrrm 5 hrs ago #4
Most of the national electorate doesn't make a meaningful distinction RandomNumbers 5 hrs ago #8
We labeled Trump correctly as a fascist. paleotn 4 hrs ago #17
We didn't go strong enough. The Madcap 3 hrs ago #32
Exactly Callie1979 3 hrs ago #38
Too late orangecrush 1 hr ago #69
This is where out education system in America fails us. The GOP has used "Communism" walkingman 5 hrs ago #5
Cheers to Bernie, AOC and all the Democratic Socialists Grim Chieftain 5 hrs ago #6
THIS orangecrush 1 hr ago #70
Old move, roots in the 1930s kwolf68 5 hrs ago #9
Great points. I was going to say they really are going back to the 50's underpants 5 hrs ago #10
Exactly! paleotn 4 hrs ago #20
I'm worried about the GOP base creeksneakers2 52 min ago #82
He's afraid of Democratic Socialists because the_liberal_grandpa 5 hrs ago #11
We want change!!!!!! bdamomma 2 hrs ago #53
The battle has begun orangecrush 1 hr ago #71
No, he thinks Democratic Socialists will save him. dem4decades 5 hrs ago #12
100% that! oasis 4 hrs ago #29
Not orangecrush 58 min ago #81
Please provide me a list of Dems who describe oasis 50 min ago #84
Thanks for baiting me orangecrush 49 min ago #86
Commies are the new immigrants. betsuni 2 hrs ago #54
Sure orangecrush 59 min ago #80
Yeah, I'm sure. dem4decades 52 min ago #83
I'm sure I'm saying bye. orangecrush 50 min ago #85
How many of the MAGAs are ready to surrender social security, food programs Baitball Blogger 4 hrs ago #13
He's married and has daughters, so that's a trick question. Igel 4 hrs ago #14
Laying the groundwork for terrorizing the people orthoclad 4 hrs ago #16
especially Trumps private taxpayer paid militia, ICE and CBP. OGBuzz 3 hrs ago #43
Yep. Make us pay the bill for our own oppression, orthoclad 1 hr ago #74
It's just a tired old scare tactic that went out of vogue in the late 50s. He's not afraid of communists, he's afraid of Martin68 4 hrs ago #18
Trump has no idea what true "communism" is or how it functions. Even China is far from "communist". OGBuzz 3 hrs ago #44
Send Bernie Sanders to yell at him. milestogo 4 hrs ago #19
Yes, Bernie Sanders is the poster child of the Democratic Socialists... kentuck 1 hr ago #61
He knows shit about the Constitution. spanone 4 hrs ago #21
He shits ON the Constitution. orangecrush 1 hr ago #79
That too! spanone 11 min ago #88
He brought this on with his policies. Joinfortmill 4 hrs ago #22
What makes you think they scare him? EdmondDantes_ 4 hrs ago #23
Trump nor his maga klan could define the word "socialist" IcyPeas 4 hrs ago #25
Trump/GOP are Nazis DemocracyForever 4 hrs ago #26
Comuniwhat? What year does he think it is? Dave Bowman 4 hrs ago #27
OP coming soon orangecrush 1 hr ago #78
Because Democrat Socialists are antithetical and a threat to fascism and no_hypocrisy 4 hrs ago #28
Like A Zombie Corpse Of Joe McCarthy 2na fisherman 3 hrs ago #31
Doubly ridiculous to the majority of voters orangecrush 1 hr ago #76
Let's just mention how much he likes Putin. Probatim 3 hrs ago #34
I don't think it scares him one bit. LisaL 3 hrs ago #35
Not all voters angrychair 3 hrs ago #42
For every action there is a reaction. The MAGAts are terrified because they know that the Democratic Socialists flashman13 3 hrs ago #40
THIS orangecrush 1 hr ago #75
MAGA.... BobTheSubgenius 3 hrs ago #45
Democratic Socialists and progressive Democrats are a direct result of Buddyzbuddy 3 hrs ago #47
Hey Donny, you're gonna lose! Get used to it! Initech 2 hrs ago #48
Post removed Post removed 2 hrs ago #50
Are you saying that there are a lot of elected Democrats RandomNumbers 2 hrs ago #52
Bye orangecrush 1 hr ago #73
Just completely bdamomma 2 hrs ago #51
If I received a dollar every time "centrist" is used as an insult for Democrats, by 2028 I'll be a billionaire. betsuni 2 hrs ago #55
He sees them as a foil that can be easily labeled as communists. everyonematters 1 hr ago #57
I thought it was going to be women of color. KS Toronado 1 hr ago #60
My thought was Jack Smith Tbear 1 min ago #90
Don't flatter yourselves. Fearmongering and manipulating the GOP base isn't being scared. thebigidea 1 hr ago #62
His henchmen and family going to prison orangecrush 1 hr ago #72
IRS Agents with Integrity Kid Berwyn 1 hr ago #68
True orangecrush 46 min ago #87
We've always been at war with Emmanuel Goldstein The Blue Flower 1 min ago #89

yardwork

(70,106 posts)
1. This is the GOP strategy for November elections.
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 10:26 AM
5 hrs ago

It's all they have.

Expect a LOT of yapping about communism over the next few months, reaching a crescendo in the days before the election.

Expect to see an uptick in efforts to divide Democrats, too.

rampartd

(5,635 posts)
2. he considers all democrats to be commies.
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 10:31 AM
5 hrs ago

and he clearly means to incentivize our self deportation.

Callie1979

(1,517 posts)
3. This is not a surprise. Because it works.
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 10:34 AM
5 hrs ago

We're playing a dangerous game with 2028 if we continue to celebrate a "Democratic Socialist" label.
As I say EVERY time; look at why 2024 was lost; the Biden voters who switched or stayed home.; The Independents. WHY did they pick Trump?
Responding to those answers will win 2028. Ignoring them gives us President Rubio.

RandomNumbers

(19,369 posts)
7. Progressive policies are, for the most part, Democratic policies.
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 10:51 AM
5 hrs ago

Attaching "socialist" to "Democratic" is an unnecessary risk. It's a huge turnoff to a wide swath of voters. Promote the policies that help everyday, non-billionaire people, whether those policies lean socialist or not, without the toxic label.

If we need something spicy to appeal to younger voters, find another term. (What is wrong with "progressive" anyway?)

Note that I said "progressive" - but without quotes in my subject line - and "for the most part".

Some people on the internet are trying to brand some radical policies as "progressive". This is not helpful, if we are going to take our country back. And why I usually refer to those policies and their pushers as "progressives", not progressives.

Anyone confused about the difference between "radical" and "progressive" should set politics aside for a moment and consult a dictionary.

Also to be clear, I don't object to using "Democratic socialist" in local contexts where it works. Just keep it local and don't try to nationalize it.

oasis

(54,415 posts)
24. "Progressive" works for me. An argument with
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 12:10 PM
4 hrs ago

anyone who’s against progress isn’t worth my time.

betsuni

(29,484 posts)
41. Progressive and liberal Democratic policy goals are same, but I see (like in this thread) supposed
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 01:05 PM
3 hrs ago

Last edited Sat Jul 4, 2026, 01:52 PM - Edit history (1)

democratic socialist policies that are also the same.

In that case, "democratic socialist" is just replacing "progressive" as a way to identify as anti-establishment (the establishment being the Democratic Party, although "centrist" is replacing "establishment" ), in order to label Democrats as having no progressive economic policies, same as Republicans. This is why they keeping insisting Democratic policies aren't Democratic policies and say they want change. Easy to say you want change when you have no idea what actual policies are.

It's confusing. Hard to know if people are using the terms correctly or using the revised anti-Democratic versions.

haele

(15,740 posts)
46. I come from a family of New Deal Democrats.
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 01:20 PM
3 hrs ago

The core tenant being a safe, stable, healthy economy with opportunities and equality under the law for everyone.
It's not Paradise, but at least there's a stable floor that no one should fall from - unless they're inclined to jump.


And we all know there's those folks who don't believe in a fair society or safety nets for others who just can't keep up or have problems that keep them down.

orangecrush

(31,978 posts)
66. The DS are kicking centrist ass in primaries everywhere
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 03:06 PM
1 hr ago


The actual voters are done with excuses.

paleotn

(23,147 posts)
15. Like Democratic centrist has gotten us anywhere?
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 11:45 AM
4 hrs ago

Please. We lost 2024 because the Dem brand was about as energetic as a camp fire in a monsoon. If we continue the mealymouthed bullshit (centrism), we'll get the same. People want real change. We can provide that. But not if we continue the same failed, boring, out of touch Dem politics of the last couple decades.

creeksneakers2

(8,095 posts)
49. I disagree
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 01:36 PM
2 hrs ago

Here's some of the things centrists accomplished:

Under Carter: 3. Department of Energy and Energy Policy
In response to the 1970s energy crisis, Carter created the Department of Energy to centralize and address energy-related challenges. His administration implemented policies encouraging energy conservation and the development of renewable energy sources like solar and wind power.
Carter also pushed for the development of fuel-efficient technologies and issued tax incentives for energy-saving measures, laying the groundwork for future advancements in energy independence.
4. Environmental Protection
Carter’s commitment to environmental conservation was evident in the Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act of 1980. This legislation protected over 100 million acres of Alaskan wilderness by designating new national parks, wildlife refuges, and forests.

It remains one of the largest land conservation efforts in U.S. history. Carter also expanded other environmental programs and supported measures to limit pollution and protect endangered species.
8. Urban Policy Initiatives
Carter introduced programs to support urban development, focusing on improving public transportation, affordable housing, and job creation in economically struggling cities.

His administration worked to reduce poverty and unemployment in urban areas, addressing the needs of vulnerable populations. These efforts demonstrated Carter’s commitment to addressing domestic challenges alongside his foreign policy achievements.

Under Clinton: Longest economic expansion in American history
The President's strategy of fiscal discipline, open foreign markets and investments in the American people helped create the conditions for a record 115 months of economic expansion. Our economy has grown at an average of 4 percent per year since 1993.
More than 22 million new jobs
More than 22 million jobs were created in less than eight years -- the most ever under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous twelve years.
Highest homeownership in American history
A strong economy and fiscal discipline kept interest rates low, making it possible for more families to buy homes. The homeownership rate increased from 64.2 percent in 1992 to 67. 7 percent, the highest rate ever.
Lowest unemployment in 30 years
Unemployment dropped from more than 7 percent in 1993 to just 4.0 percent in November 2000. Unemployment for African Americans and Hispanics fell to the lowest rates on record, and the rate for women is the lowest in more than 40 years.
Raised education standards, increased school choice, and doubled education and training investment
Since 1992, reading and math scores have increased for 4th, 8th, and 12th graders, math SAT scores are at a 30-year high, the number of charter schools has grown from 1 to more than 2,000, forty-nine states have put in place standards in core subjects and federal investment in education and training has doubled.
Largest expansion of college opportunity since the GI Bill
President Clinton and Vice President Gore have nearly doubled financial aid for students by increasing Pell Grants to the largest award ever, expanding Federal Work-Study to allow 1 million students to work their way through college, and by creating new tax credits and scholarships such as Lifetime Learning tax credits and the HOPE scholarship. At the same time, taxpayers have saved $18 billion due to the decline in student loan defaults, increased collections and savings from the direct student loan program.
Connected 95 percent of schools to the Internet
President Clinton and Vice President Gore's new commitment to education technology, including the E-Rate and a 3,000 percent increase in educational technology funding, increased the percentage of schools connected to the Internet from 35 percent in 1994 to 95 percent in 1999.
Lowest crime rate in 26 years
Because of President Clinton's comprehensive anti-crime strategy of tough penalties, more police, and smart prevention, as well as common sense gun safety laws, the overall crime rate declined for 8 consecutive years, the longest continuous drop on record, and is at the lowest level since 1973.
100,000 more police for our streets
As part of the 1994 Crime Bill, President Clinton enacted a new initiative to fund 100,000 community police officers. To date more than 11,000 law enforcement agencies have received COPS funding.
Enacted most sweeping gun safety legislation in a generation
Since the President signed the Brady bill in 1993, more than 600,000 felons, fugitives, and other prohibited persons have been stopped from buying guns. Gun crime has declined 40 percent since 1992.
Family and Medical Leave Act for 20 million Americans
To help parents succeed at work and at home, President Clinton signed the Family and Medical Leave Act in 1993. Over 20 million Americans have taken unpaid leave to care for a newborn child or sick family member.
Smallest welfare rolls in 32 years
The President pledged to end welfare as we know it and signed landmark bipartisan welfare reform legislation in 1996. Since then, caseloads have been cut in half, to the lowest level since 1968, and millions of parents have joined the workforce. People on welfare today are five times more likely to be working than in 1992.
Higher incomes at all levels
After falling by nearly $2,000 between 1988 and 1992, the median family's income rose by $6,338, after adjusting for inflation, since 1993. African American family income increased even more, rising by nearly $7,000 since 1993. After years of stagnant income growth among average and lower income families, all income brackets experienced double-digit growth since 1993. The bottom 20 percent saw the largest income growth at 16.3 percent.
Lowest poverty rate in 20 years
Since Congress passed President Clinton's Economic Plan in 1993, the poverty rate declined from 15.1 percent to 11.8 percent last year — the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years. There are now 7 million fewer people in poverty than in 1993. The child poverty rate declined more than 25 percent, the poverty rates for single mothers, African Americans and the elderly have dropped to their lowest levels on record, and Hispanic poverty dropped to its lowest level since 1979.
Lowest teen birth rate in 60 years
In his 1995 State of the Union Address, President Clinton challenged Americans to join together in a national campaign against teen pregnancy. The birth rate for teens aged 15-19 declined every year of the Clinton Presidency, from 60.7 per 1,000 teens in 1992 to a record low of 49.6 in 1999.
Lowest infant mortality rate in American history
The Clinton Administration expanded efforts to provide mothers and newborn children with health care. Today, a record high 82 percent of all mothers receive prenatal care. The infant mortality rate has dropped from 8.5 deaths per 1,000 in 1992 to 7.2 deaths per 1,000 in 1998, the lowest rate ever recorded.
Deactivated more than 1,700 nuclear warheads from the former Soviet Union
Efforts of the Clinton-Gore Administration led to the dismantling of more than 1,700 nuclear warheads, 300 launchers and 425 land and submarine based missiles from the former Soviet Union.
Protected millions of acres of American land
President Clinton has protected more land in the lower 48 states than any other president. He has protected 5 new national parks, designated 11 new national monuments and expanded two others and proposed protections for 60 million acres of roadless areas in America's national forests.
Paid off $360 billion of the national debt
Between 1998-2000, the national debt was reduced by $363 billion — the largest three-year debt pay-down in American history. We are now on track to pay off the entire debt by 2009.
Converted the largest budget deficit in American history to the largest surplus
Thanks in large part to the 1993 Deficit Reduction Act, the 1997 Balanced Budget Act, and President Clinton's call to save the surplus for debt reduction, Social Security, and Medicare solvency, America has put its fiscal house in order. The deficit was $290 billion in 1993 and expected to grow to $455 billion by this year. Instead, we have a projected surplus of $237 billion.
Lowest government spending in three decades
Under President Clinton federal government spending as a share of the economy has decreased from 22.2 percent in 1992 to a projected 18.5 percent in 2000, the lowest since 1966.
Lowest federal income tax burden in 35 years
President Clinton enacted targeted tax cuts such as the Earned Income Tax Credit expansion, $500 child tax credit, and the HOPE Scholarship and Lifetime Learning Tax Credits. Federal income taxes as a percentage of income for the typical American family have dropped to their lowest level in 35 years.
More families own stock than ever before
The number of families owning stock in the United States increased by 40 percent since 1992.
Most diverse cabinet in American history
The President has appointed more African Americans, women and Hispanics to the Cabinet than any other President in history. He appointed the first female Attorney General, the first female Secretary of State and the first Asian American cabinet secretary ever.

Under Obama: 1. Affordable Care Act (ACA) – “Obamacare”
The Affordable Care Act, often referred to as “Obamacare,” was a transformative piece of legislation aimed at overhauling the U.S.
healthcare system.
2. Economic Recovery
When Obama took office in 2009, the United States was in the midst of the Great Recession, the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression.

His administration passed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, a $787 billion stimulus package that funded infrastructure projects, extended unemployment benefits, and provided tax cuts.

The stimulus helped stabilize the economy, leading to a recovery that saw job growth, a declining unemployment rate, and a rebound in GDP by the end of his presidency.

3. Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform
In response to the financial crisis of 2008, Obama signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act into law in 2010. This legislation aimed to prevent future economic crises by increasing regulation of the financial sector.
Barack Obama was the first sitting president to publicly support same-sex marriage. His administration championed LGBTQ+ rights, and in 2015, the Supreme Court’s landmark decision in Obergefell v. Hodges legalized marriage equality nationwide.

This historic ruling ensured that same-sex couples had the right to marry and receive equal treatment under the law, marking a major step forward for civil rights in the United States.

6. Paris Climate Agreement



It expanded healthcare coverage to millions of uninsured Americans, provided subsidies to low- and middle-income families, and made Medicaid expansion possible in participating states.
Key provisions included preventing insurance companies from denying coverage for pre-existing conditions and allowing young adults to remain on their parents’ insurance plans until age 26. By the end of Obama’s presidency, the ACA had significantly reduced the uninsured rate and made healthcare more accessible and affordable for millions.
As part of his commitment to addressing climate change, Obama played a key role in securing the Paris Climate Agreement in 2015. Nearly 200 countries pledged to reduce their greenhouse gas emissions and take action to limit global warming to well below 2 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels. The agreement represented a significant global effort to combat climate change, with the United States taking a leadership role under Obama’s administration.
8. Auto Industry Rescue
During the Great Recession, the American auto industry faced potential collapse. Obama’s administration provided financial assistance to General Motors and Chrysler through a controversial bailout program.

The intervention saved hundreds of thousands of jobs, stabilized the auto industry, and eventually led to a resurgence in U.S. car manufacturing. By the end of Obama’s presidency, the auto industry was profitable again and had repaid much of the bailout money.

9. Advancing Renewable Energy
Obama prioritized clean energy initiatives and invested heavily in renewable energy during his presidency. Through programs like the Recovery Act, his administration funded research and development for solar and wind power, energy efficiency, and electric vehicles.

10. Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA)
In 2012, Obama announced the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, which provided temporary protection from deportation for undocumented immigrants brought to the United States as children, often referred to as “Dreamers.”

Under Biden: 10. Passed the $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure package to increase investment in the national network of bridges and roads, airports, public transport and national broadband internet, as well as waterways and energy systems.

2. Helped get more than 500 million life-saving COVID-19 vaccinations in the arms of Americans through the American Rescue Plan.

3. Stopped a 30-year streak of federal inaction on gun violence by signing the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act that created enhanced background checks, closed the “boyfriend” loophole and provided funds for youth mental health.

4. Made a $369 billion investment in climate change, the largest in American history, through the Inflation Reduction Act of 2022.

5. Ended the longest war in American history by pulling the troops out of Afghanistan.

6. Provided $10,000 to $20,000 in college debt relief to Americans with loans who make under $125,000 a year.

7. Cut child poverty in half through the American Rescue Plan.

8. Capped prescription drug prices at $2,000 per year for seniors on Medicare through the Inflation Reduction Act.

9. Passed the COVID-19 relief deal that provided payments of up to $1,400 to many struggling U.S. citizens while supporting renters and increasing unemployment benefits.

10. Achieved historically low unemployment rates after the pandemic caused them to skyrocket.

11. Imposed a 15% minimum corporate tax on some of the largest corporations in the country, ensuring that they pay their fair share,

15. Gave Medicare the power to negotiate prescription drug prices through the Inflation Reduction Act while also reducing government health spending.

19. Reduced healthcare premiums under the Affordable Care Act by $800 a year as part of the American Rescue Plan.

2. Reauthorized the Violence Against Women Act through 2027.

And we would have done much more if Progressive had not made us lose the White House in 2000 and 2016,

paleotn

(23,147 posts)
56. You do realize the bulk of that isn't centrist.
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 02:21 PM
2 hrs ago

And a blind regurgitation of past legislation doesn't prove your point. What is centrist is Clinton's Sec Treasury, Robert Rubin, and the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act Clinton signed. Both, particularly the later, led to the 2008 crash. No one went to jail for perpetuating perhaps the greatest financial fraud in American history except one poor sap, Kareem Serageldin. And now we have shadow banking which may prove even worse. Nice job, centrists. Plus, Dodd Frank was watered down the point of being ineffectual, by eliminating the bank tax to pay for it all, plus dropping the Volker Rule. See shadow banking and whole heap of other abuses.

The ACA originally had a public option. That got ditched as much due to milquetoast centrist Dems as Republicans. The final product was better than nothing, but it in no way addressed the structural problems in our healthcare system that have only gotten worse. By the way, Obama didn't run as a centrist. He ran to the left in 2008 with a message that resonated with Americans. That's how he won in places Dems haven't won since 2008. Since then, we've run on "Trump is a horrible person" and little else. No shit. What else have we got? A lot, but we don't advertise it much. Why is that? Afraid of being called "Commies" perhaps?

But history is just that. History. And past performance isn't necessarily indicative of future returns. Is the centrist Dem message catching fire with Americans right now? Perhaps you should ask Janet Mills about that. And feel free to continue the Gish Gallop / puke through your computer.

Callie1979

(1,517 posts)
37. True, but there were a few other reasons as well.
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 12:50 PM
3 hrs ago

THe border probably being the biggest of them.

modrepub

(4,259 posts)
33. And Milquetoast/Establishment Democrats
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 12:32 PM
3 hrs ago

are a better alternative? If so, don't expect black women, an important Democratic Party pillar to turn out and vote. In all honesty, this block is still hurting after Harris lost.

Yea, expect the Republicans to hurl insults and scare monger. That's all they have. But do you expect them to fix anything they've broken up to this point? I think not. It's one thing to identify and complain about what's ailing this country, it's another thing to actually do something that fixes things. If DSs can fix problems on a state and local level then that 's all the better in demonstrating that what we have works.

In the end, Trump focused on problems of prices and inflation tacking it onto Biden & Harris. It's economic perception that will win or loose us the election, not name calling and fear mongering.

Cha

(321,666 posts)
65. Division is getting Democracy NOWHERE.
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 03:05 PM
1 hr ago

We can't do anything about new Laws to Stop the Fascists If we don't Win The Midterms.

There are moderates all over the country in swing districts fighting for their seats in Congress.

That is the Goal of those who want the PEDO without the enabling of the House and the Senate.


Norrrm

(6,209 posts)
4. Trump manages to use both scare words - communist and socialist.
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 10:38 AM
5 hrs ago

Trump manages to use both scare words - communist and socialist.

What is the difference between socialism and communism?

Socialism is a keyword/buzzword used to incite fear that the other party will control/ruin your personal economy/lifestyle.
.
Communism is a buzzword/keyword used to incite fear that the other party will ruin/control your personal lifestyle/economy.
---------------------------------------------------------------
Alas! The meanings are meaningless. The names are used purely as an emotional trigger.

Does anyone think Donald actually knows (or cares) the meanings and differences?

RandomNumbers

(19,369 posts)
8. Most of the national electorate doesn't make a meaningful distinction
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 10:53 AM
5 hrs ago

between communism and socialism, and much less between "socialism" and "Democratic Socialism".

Something liberal and progressive political strategists should keep in mind.

paleotn

(23,147 posts)
17. We labeled Trump correctly as a fascist.
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 11:55 AM
4 hrs ago

Didn't work and many Americans voted for a neo-nazi anyway. Given the struggles of regular Americans, I think you and others are putting too much emphasis on words that may not have the same effect they once did. This isn't 1980 after all. Millennial's and Gen Z's don't carry the cultural baggage you and I have that's wrapped around those words. Give them a vision that overrides those less meaningful words. That's what they want. The left of the party is trying to do exactly that. The rest seems stuck with the failed politics that got us into this mess.

walkingman

(11,347 posts)
5. This is where out education system in America fails us. The GOP has used "Communism"
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 10:43 AM
5 hrs ago

for decades to scare people because everyone growing up in America over the last century was told that the ultimate evil is "Communism" (Red Scare).

Not many Dems had a problem with Bernie or even AOC but since NYC (imo, the greatest city in the US) has elected several, now you would think it is the end times.

Nope, only if Democrats make it so...more than likely led by the DNC who views them as a threat.

For this old timer....we need party reform if we expect to win and part of that reform is to unite around the goal of winning at all costs.

Grim Chieftain

(2,371 posts)
6. Cheers to Bernie, AOC and all the Democratic Socialists
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 10:49 AM
5 hrs ago

If you are scaring the orange felon, you are doing something right.

orangecrush

(31,978 posts)
70. THIS
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 03:12 PM
1 hr ago

And he's scared because they will not "look forward" and forget the crimes. And he knows it

kwolf68

(8,462 posts)
9. Old move, roots in the 1930s
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 10:59 AM
5 hrs ago

You know who got stuck into camps by the German Nazis back in the 1930s? Other than Jewish people, COMMUNISTS, even people who were not communists.

The red boogeyman has its roots there and of course red baiting is old hat for the Republic Party.

So now that their twisted mind-fuck "ideology" is inspiring a further left movement, it's time to dust off the old hits.

Not unlike the further right movement (Tea) spurred on by the election of Obama (not because he was a communist, but because he was black). However, this new left movement is a legitimate movement, not manufactured, rather organic as people see that not only have we seen the rising tide of Fascism take over, but some failures by establishment Democrats as well.

These people won't be deterred by being called communist. Shit, Bill Clinton was called a Marxist back in the day. These are hollow words in 2026. What the American people want is less corruption, idiocy, hubris and waste and a government that works FOR THEM and not for the aristocracy.

underpants

(197,965 posts)
10. Great points. I was going to say they really are going back to the 50's
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 11:08 AM
5 hrs ago

with all red baiting.

paleotn

(23,147 posts)
20. Exactly!
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 11:59 AM
4 hrs ago

The words just don't have the same effect across generations, or when average Americans are struggling to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table. It's vision that matters. Not some dusty old words spewed by a demented old man yesterday.

creeksneakers2

(8,095 posts)
82. I'm worried about the GOP base
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 03:33 PM
52 min ago

Democrats won lots of off year elections, even in red areas, because the GOP wasn't motivated. Trump is using communism to motivate his base. And they don't know the difference between communism and democratic socialism.

11. He's afraid of Democratic Socialists because
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 11:19 AM
5 hrs ago

Besides stopping him and investigating him and his cronies and hopefully putting them away for good,
Democratic Socialists will work to pass popular legislation like:

Medicare for all
Free or low college education
sensible gun control
popular environmental policies
affordable housing
taxing the rich
voting rights
Womens rights
Sensible immigration laws
Expand the supreme court.

and many many other things that Americans have wanted their government to do for many years.

Corporate Democrats are afraid of them too.

No more paddy cake between Ds&Rs
We want change!

orangecrush

(31,978 posts)
71. The battle has begun
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 03:15 PM
1 hr ago

Let the centrists and corporatists stand aside and stay out of the way if they won't help.

oasis

(54,415 posts)
84. Please provide me a list of Dems who describe
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 03:35 PM
50 min ago

themselves as “Corporate Democrats” so that I can avoid supporting them.
Thanking you in advance.

Baitball Blogger

(52,930 posts)
13. How many of the MAGAs are ready to surrender social security, food programs
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 11:27 AM
4 hrs ago

and health care for Trump?

That's how the Democrats should frame Trump's Red scare tactic.

orthoclad

(5,299 posts)
16. Laying the groundwork for terrorizing the people
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 11:55 AM
4 hrs ago

by calling them terrorists. Nash'nul sacurity, ya know? Why else do we have an FBI and a DHS?

Martin68

(28,359 posts)
18. It's just a tired old scare tactic that went out of vogue in the late 50s. He's not afraid of communists, he's afraid of
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 11:58 AM
4 hrs ago

Democrats.

OGBuzz

(915 posts)
44. Trump has no idea what true "communism" is or how it functions. Even China is far from "communist".
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 01:19 PM
3 hrs ago

kentuck

(116,188 posts)
61. Yes, Bernie Sanders is the poster child of the Democratic Socialists...
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 03:01 PM
1 hr ago

...and a lot Republicans admire him. They do not consider him a "communist".

EdmondDantes_

(2,294 posts)
23. What makes you think they scare him?
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 12:09 PM
4 hrs ago

Republicans have been red baiting for decades because it's worked. Trump has railed against immigrants for years. You're reading into it what you want to believe. He needs an "enemy" because otherwise he'd be at risk of having to take responsibility and losing his cult.

IcyPeas

(25,995 posts)
25. Trump nor his maga klan could define the word "socialist"
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 12:11 PM
4 hrs ago

I wish a female reporter would ask him to define it on camera.

"What a dumb question"
"You're a stupid person"
"Who are you with? ... "Fake news"
"What a stupid corrupt reporter you are"
"Shut up piggy"


DemocracyForever

(371 posts)
26. Trump/GOP are Nazis
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 12:12 PM
4 hrs ago

and it's time for dems to point this out. The Trump/GOP agenda is taken straight from Hitler's playbook, hatred of immigrasnt, superiority of white anglos, forcing women to breed against their will, hatred of LGBTQ+, government control of everything, no right to dissent or hold the government accountable and the list goes on.

2na fisherman

(403 posts)
31. Like A Zombie Corpse Of Joe McCarthy
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 12:26 PM
3 hrs ago

How soon will Trump revive the House Un-American Activities Committee to provide him a list of known Communists to investigate? He's so clueless to not know this old trope makes him look foolish to think it has credibility in today's multi-media environment with many more ways to discredit it as the hackneyed Big Lie it was already judged by history to be. And it must be taken for granted that most people know by now his answer to the question, "Have you no decency?"

orangecrush

(31,978 posts)
76. Doubly ridiculous to the majority of voters
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 03:23 PM
1 hr ago


Struggling to live to support the crime syndicate, while he devotes resources to this bullshit.

Probatim

(3,309 posts)
34. Let's just mention how much he likes Putin.
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 12:36 PM
3 hrs ago

Not that Russia is a good practitioner of communism, but the rubes don't know the difference any more.

angrychair

(12,590 posts)
42. Not all voters
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 01:06 PM
3 hrs ago

But specifically Democratic voters. As is very evident in this thread as the majority in it immediately threw Democratic Socialist and progressives in general, straight under the bus and backed up and went forward twice.

flashman13

(2,655 posts)
40. For every action there is a reaction. The MAGAts are terrified because they know that the Democratic Socialists
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 12:58 PM
3 hrs ago

are a populist reaction against Trump's far right-wing agenda and the power of the ultra rich oligarchs. We the People have decided, at the grass roots level, that in return for our hard work we deserve nice things too.

The 2026 and 2028 elections are going to be a major realignment of politics on the order of FDR and the New Deal.

Buddyzbuddy

(3,081 posts)
47. Democratic Socialists and progressive Democrats are a direct result of
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 01:23 PM
3 hrs ago

the current administration, the MAGA/Republican cult and the billionaire class.

Our Constitution, our Democracy and the American way of life has never since the Civil War faced a bigger threat to it's existence than now. The enemy/threat has infiltrated our government with the help of seditious, treasonous bastards and lazy ignorant non voters.

At this point to slow the growth of this disease and begin the long methodical eradication we must "VOTE BLUE, NO MATTER WHO" in November.

Response to orangecrush (Original post)

RandomNumbers

(19,369 posts)
52. Are you saying that there are a lot of elected Democrats
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 01:47 PM
2 hrs ago

who are "corporate political slugs licking the boots of oligarchs and fascists"?

Care to name names, and give evidence?

bdamomma

(69,697 posts)
51. Just completely
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 01:40 PM
2 hrs ago

delusional, project much DJT????? Take a look in the mirror, you are the greatest threat!!!!!

betsuni

(29,484 posts)
55. If I received a dollar every time "centrist" is used as an insult for Democrats, by 2028 I'll be a billionaire.
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 01:55 PM
2 hrs ago

everyonematters

(4,325 posts)
57. He sees them as a foil that can be easily labeled as communists.
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 02:47 PM
1 hr ago

His biggest threat is economic populism, but it needs to be messaged carefully.

Tbear

(759 posts)
90. My thought was Jack Smith
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 04:24 PM
1 min ago

But I like women of color better for whom thedonald is most afraid of.

thebigidea

(13,598 posts)
62. Don't flatter yourselves. Fearmongering and manipulating the GOP base isn't being scared.
Sat Jul 4, 2026, 03:03 PM
1 hr ago

the heck does he have to be scared about other than death?

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