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ShazzieB

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51. I don't see much point in speculating about those elections.

Tue Jun 9, 2026, 07:55 PM

Jun 9

I'm not saying you're right, and I'm not saying you're wrong. I honestly have no idea. I just think it's a moot point:

*Moot point describes a topic or issue that is debatable or arguable but that there is no foreseeable solution or answer to.

*Most people use moot point to indicate that continued discussions on the topic or issue at hand would be a waste of time because there will never be an agreement, or the topic simply doesn't matter anymore.

*You might also call a topic a moot point if you could talk about is indefinitely without ever reaching an agreement, answer, or solution.

*A moot point is a fact that doesn’t matter because it doesn’t apply or contribute to the current situation or topic.

Source: https://www.poised.com/blog/moot-point

In other words, like my mom would say if she were still alive, it's all water under the bridge. Whatever happened, happened; he got into office both times, and we're stuck with the resulting mess.

If he did steal both of those elections (and whether he did or not, I'm sure he wanted to), that's just 2 more items to add to the already encyclopedically long list of his high crimes and misdemeanors. It's frustrating, but everything to do with him is frustrating.

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Trump lost both the 2016 and the 2024 elections. [View all] OGBuzz Jun 9 OP

Your gut is correct Botany Jun 9 #1

He could see the numbers early and adjust them as necessary questionseverything Jun 9 #27

Musk had already down loaded programs that made the outcome ..... Botany Jun 10 #60

There was an interview back then with Tucker Carlson where Musk and his son were giggling MadameButterfly Jun 9 #35

Just as kacekwl Jun 9 #2

and Moses Mike Johnson yesterday. OGBuzz Jun 9 #5

The O/P is satire on Johnson's remarks, right? Well done. Nt AloeVera Jun 9 #36

Correct, and thanks for catching it, there's a couple in the comments here that didn't get it. OGBuzz Jun 9 #42

Here's a diabolical redux: IcyPeas Jun 9 #50

Thanks for posting the video, that's the b.s. from Johnson that I was responding to. OGBuzz Jun 9 #53

It's sickening and dangerous... IcyPeas Jun 9 #58

The man has zero integrity and he's the House Speaker. Things will not go well in November. OGBuzz Jun 9 #59

I found myself watcbing his face closely whille he was talking. ShazzieB Jun 11 #86

Trump won both elections fair & square. Jacson6 Jun 9 #3

You got "proof"? OGBuzz Jun 9 #6

We have the audits states do EdmondDantes_ Jun 9 #9

States audited 2020 and Trump still denies that Biden won. As does pretty much every other MAGAt. OGBuzz Jun 9 #11

It holds as much evidentiary weight as trump's claim that he won 2020 except for the work of those "cheating Dems" Dave says Jun 9 #13

It is incredible Edmond that we can disagree in one thread and completely agree mr715 Jun 9 #22

I think the OP was spoofing on Trump thinking his own gut feeling MadameButterfly Jun 9 #37

Well and we can't prove it if we don't get to look 👀 questionseverything Jun 9 #43

True. The laws need to change so we can safely and effectively investigate MadameButterfly Jun 11 #87

Insider aka Tina Peters warning from James Baker. Blue Full Moon Jun 10 #66

I believe you are missing the point from the OP FHRRK1 Jun 9 #12

👍 It looks like my attempt at sarcasm completely failed with some.😂 I need to find one of those 'sarcasm' emojis OGBuzz Jun 9 #24

Damn it FHRRK1 Jun 9 #28

I figured you meant to say "put every Republican win into doubt". Am I right? OGBuzz Jun 9 #30

Exactly, dumbass FHRRK1 Jun 9 #55

In my defense sarcasm is often hard to read online EdmondDantes_ Jun 10 #63

It'd be nice if the software was open for review. Kid Berwyn Jun 9 #4

I will remain malaise Jun 9 #8

When we're dealing with grifters and cheaters, PatSeg Jun 9 #14

THIS malaise Jun 9 #15

We can always hope PatSeg Jun 9 #16

I feel like our system is broken at this point Melon Jun 9 #19

Digital vote counting can not be transparent because no human being can see inside the computer questionseverything Jun 9 #31

Voting in the US should be MANDATORY like it is in Australia. Tim S Jun 9 #7

If so many voters are anti-Republican sarisataka Jun 9 #10

What do you do with those who can't or won't pay the fine? MichMan Jun 9 #17

No. mr715 Jun 9 #23

Opting out isn't a viable option.. The right to descent and choose a 3rd party is the way to express your opinion Tim S Jun 9 #25

So, do you fine non-voters? mr715 Jun 9 #26

I don't know how Australia does it (you're welcome to look it up) but... Tim S Jun 9 #32

How about make voting easy, incentivize it, and ritualize it mr715 Jun 9 #34

States are free to choose their Electors for the Electoral College as they be fit, but... Tim S Jun 9 #39

Well, it'll take a Constitutional convention mr715 Jun 9 #40

Agreed... Tim S Jun 9 #45

I don't know, honestly. mr715 Jun 9 #48

Australia holds elections on Saturday which allows many more people to go to the polls. OGBuzz Jun 9 #46

Interesting. You proposing a voting tax.... Melon Jun 9 #57

Maybe folks can get with the Spencer Pratt people Sympthsical Jun 9 #18

As a corollary question... kentuck Jun 9 #20

There is proof. see below. in2herbs Jun 9 #21

Thanks for posting. yellow dahlia Jun 9 #29

I took a couple of statistics courses eons ago so I know a little about the subect. flashman13 Jun 9 #33

Ding ding malaise Jun 9 #38

Exactly, it's all about being afraid to look wrong questionseverything Jun 9 #44

Misunderstanding predictive statistics. mr715 Jun 9 #49

Now do the math for 88 swing counties please questionseverything Jun 10 #61

I am not making the extraordinary claim. mr715 Jun 10 #62

As Obama said, " we have to beat them so bad there can be no doubt " questionseverything Jun 10 #64

We do. mr715 Jun 10 #65

I don't think even Obama won all of those 88 swing counties but questionseverything Jun 10 #67

Agreed. nt mr715 Jun 10 #68

Mathematician here Metaphorical Jun 10 #79

Link provided. mr715 Jun 10 #80

I stand by my analysis. The chances of all seven going Trump in 2024 by just enough to avoid recounts is very near zero, flashman13 Jun 10 #73

There is your statistical question... mr715 Jun 10 #74

Can a woman be elected President? I want to believe it can happen. It would be a great step forward for the country. flashman13 Jun 10 #84

Statistically "damned near zero", is not the same as impossible MichMan Jun 9 #54

Everything Trump accuses others of Dave Id Jun 9 #41

He is the Projector-in-Chief. OGBuzz Jun 9 #47

I don't see much point in speculating about those elections. ShazzieB Jun 9 #51

My original post was intended to be sarcasm in response to Mike Johnson's comments yesterday casting doubt OGBuzz Jun 9 #52

Oh, sorry about that. ShazzieB Jun 10 #69

No worries.😃 IcyPeas posted the Johnson video if you're interested. Comment #50 in the thread. It's shocking. OGBuzz Jun 10 #70

Thanks for pointing me to the video. ShazzieB Jun 11 #85

Crazy how he couldn't steal 2020 then... Polybius Jun 9 #56

He tried, but that pesky Blue Tsunami. Who loses by 7 million votes??? OGBuzz Jun 10 #71

Reagan twice won by 7+ million votes, including these guys: Polybius Jun 10 #72

Okay, you got me. But in the 21st Century, only Barack and Ole' Joe. OGBuzz Jun 10 #75

And hopefully Gavin in 2028 Polybius Jun 10 #76

I'm with you on Gavin.👍 OGBuzz Jun 10 #78

Whether he did or not, and I think not, it doesn't really matter. BlueTsunami2018 Jun 10 #77

Is that so ? obnoxiousdrunk Jun 10 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author Seeking Serenity Jun 10 #82

He's a traitor. His cabinet and staff are traitors. His financial backers are all traitors. Seeking Serenity Jun 10 #83