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chowder66

(12,347 posts)
5. Paranoia can be part of narcissistic collapse
Wed Apr 15, 2026, 02:09 PM
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Surveillance

When a person high in covert narcissistic traits enters collapse, their internal world shifts from quiet superiority to distrust, abandonment terror, and desperation to feel relevant.2,3 They can collapse inward into a state of paranoia, hypervigilance, and catastrophic fear of losing their primary source of validation, triggering fears of being forgotten. This free-fall can produce a sudden switch from avoidant behavior to a pattern of compulsive behavior.

The same person who once withdrew, stonewalled, or acted passive-aggressively may now shift into obsessively thinking about their lost "supply" and covertly monitoring them with late‑night emails, “baiting” and triangulation attempts, mysterious burner phone calls, or “accidental” attempts to bump into them when running errands or out with friends. These behaviors are designed to regain narrative control and emotional dominance, not emotional connection. It is important to recognize that their obsessiveness is not about love, closure, or providing an apology, but possessiveness, sadistic intensity, and a compulsion to reclaim what they have lost.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/understanding-ptsd/202512/covert-narcissism-collapse-and-the-hidden-signs

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he seems to be hearing voices as well rampartd Wednesday #1
He had so much money all his life and he knows he doesn't deserve it Walleye Wednesday #2
I think there's more to his behavior than that. wnylib Wednesday #4
If he were not powerful and wealthy he would have been sitting in prison a long time ago. Irish_Dem Yesterday #39
Oh come on. DJT is just an a--hole. Jacson6 Wednesday #3
True dat but, Disaffected Wednesday #13
Paranoia can be part of narcissistic collapse chowder66 Wednesday #5
+1 leftstreet Wednesday #7
Thanks. That sheds light on Trump's intensified focus on enemies. wnylib Wednesday #8
He's shown passive-aggressive behaviors. chowder66 Wednesday #14
plus malaise Wednesday #6
I think he is psychotic now, perhaps BiPolar psychosis. Irish_Dem Wednesday #9
Thanks for your perspective as a professional in the field. wnylib Wednesday #15
Yes you were close! And can the pertinent symptoms and presentation. Irish_Dem Wednesday #17
Is borderline personality mr715 Wednesday #20
Recent research shows BPD is evenly disturbed among males and females. Irish_Dem Wednesday #21
You may be right. Irish_Dem Yesterday #24
Trump is pathology bingo. mr715 Yesterday #32
You could teach an entire Abnormal Psych class just based on his pathology. Irish_Dem Yesterday #36
Interdisciplinary Seminar... mr715 Yesterday #37
Pathological Narcissists are Psychotic DenaliDemocrat Yesterday #34
This is not exactly true. Irish_Dem Yesterday #35
I have lived with two clinically diagnosed DenaliDemocrat 22 hrs ago #40
Yes but they different diagnostic categories. Irish_Dem 16 hrs ago #41
I would argue with any psychologist DenaliDemocrat 14 hrs ago #42
Psychopath - Dark Triad FalloutShelter Wednesday #10
Yes this is his profile blubunyip Wednesday #22
Victim playing has been republican strategy... lame54 Wednesday #11
He's a life-long substance abuser. GoCubsGo Wednesday #12
I had a roommate/good friend drmeow Wednesday #16
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Wednesday #18
He isn't schizophrenic. mr715 Wednesday #19
I think he is so defensive because, at some unacknowledged level... 3catwoman3 Yesterday #23
I lived with two diagnosed narcissists DenaliDemocrat Yesterday #25
Psychopaths* experience psychosis like those with schizophrenia. littlemissmartypants Yesterday #26
I say no. littlemissmartypants Yesterday #27
A lifelong psychopath who's now suffering from advanced dementia. sop Yesterday #28
Narcissism, control freak, with a criminal mind. Passages Yesterday #29
In my opinion, just severe narcissism, ignorance ecstatic Yesterday #30
They're not mutually exclusive Jilly_in_VA Yesterday #31
narcissistic sociopath SocialDemocrat61 Yesterday #33
he's a psychopath... agingdem Yesterday #38
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