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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNarcissist or schizophrenic or both?
We've heard a lot about Trump's malignant narcissism and dementia. But what about his paranoia?
We use the word "paranoid" loosely in everyday speech. But there is such a thing as paranoia being a psychosis and not just an adjective for some behaviors.
Trump is constantly acting on the belief that he has to always defend himself against enemies. His unpredictability is like a mechanism for protecting himself from unseen enemies who would plot against him if they knew what his plans and views were. He pits subordinates against each other because he trusts no one and wants control over would be enemies.
His actions are those of a person who has to be forever cautious and on guard. He labels people who simply disagree with him as dangerous enemies. He deploys ICE and the military to harrass, injure, and kill innocent citizens, legal immigrants, and undocumented immigrants, labeling all of them together as dangerous enemies.
He verbally attacks world leaders as enemies for not joining him in illegal war activIties. He has labeled so many people around the world as personal and national enemies that it becomes obvious that he is obsessed with believing that everyoone is either an enemy or a potential enemy. .
Isn't it time to consider whether he is a paranoid schizophrenic?
rampartd
(4,732 posts)negotiating with iranians who don't exist and such
Walleye
(45,064 posts)So hes constantly afraid people are trying to take it away from him. And he knows without his wealth nobody would have anything to do with him. Is terrified that he would have to live like a regular slob. Thats what happens when your whole existence depends on material things. we all know he is born in the privilege and didnt have to work for it, so he knows it too. He just lies to himself and believes the lies.
wnylib
(26,204 posts)Yes, he acts entitled because he was born into wealth. But I don't think that he has the conscience to think that he doesn't deserve it.
He seeks wealth and adoration as substitutes for the love that his family did not give him. But he also believes that everyone around hi m us an enemy or potential enemy. Maybe that comes from the cutthroat family that he grew up in. He learned to trust no one.
But now it is far beyond that. Now he takes physical action against harmless people within the country and starts wars against countries that pose no imminent threat, all of whom he calls enemies. He either makes up stories about conversations he has had or actually believes that he had such conversations. He has no hold on reality.
Irish_Dem
(81,740 posts)Jacson6
(2,064 posts)Disaffected
(6,469 posts)he can be both (and is).
chowder66
(12,344 posts)Surveillance
When a person high in covert narcissistic traits enters collapse, their internal world shifts from quiet superiority to distrust, abandonment terror, and desperation to feel relevant.2,3 They can collapse inward into a state of paranoia, hypervigilance, and catastrophic fear of losing their primary source of validation, triggering fears of being forgotten. This free-fall can produce a sudden switch from avoidant behavior to a pattern of compulsive behavior.
The same person who once withdrew, stonewalled, or acted passive-aggressively may now shift into obsessively thinking about their lost "supply" and covertly monitoring them with late‑night emails, baiting and triangulation attempts, mysterious burner phone calls, or accidental attempts to bump into them when running errands or out with friends. These behaviors are designed to regain narrative control and emotional dominance, not emotional connection. It is important to recognize that their obsessiveness is not about love, closure, or providing an apology, but possessiveness, sadistic intensity, and a compulsion to reclaim what they have lost.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/understanding-ptsd/202512/covert-narcissism-collapse-and-the-hidden-signs
I'll always wonder about his family - 1st term vs 2nd
They were so visible Term 1, now nothing. You don't even see them together. Makes me wonder if they stopped ego-stroking him somewhere in there and he lost a chunk of supply
wnylib
(26,204 posts)But the quote mentions a switch from avoidance behavior to compulsive behavior. Hasn't Trump always been confrontational and compulsive?
Later it mentions a shift away from passive aggression. Maybe I missed it but I haven't seen Trump as passively aggressive. He seems pretty overtly aggressive.
chowder66
(12,344 posts)malaise
(296,792 posts)Megalomaniac
Irish_Dem
(81,740 posts)BiPolar is more connected to mood and thoughts.
When I look at what he is doing to the White House, the interior and exterior,
it is classic bipolar.
Schizophrenia is more disordered very disorganized thoughts/behavior
and is well identified early in adulthood.
-He is also a narcissistic personality disorder and a psychopath.
-With dementia.
-And long term drug addiction (amphetamines and cocaine.)
So right now we are looking at severe personality disorders,
psychosis, dementia, drug addiction.
The bottom line is that he is very very dangerous.
Anyone else would have been pink slipped (involuntary admit to locked psych unit.)
wnylib
(26,204 posts)It helps me see Trump more clearly. Probably not schizophrenic, but with a lot of other mental health issues that include paranoia.
Irish_Dem
(81,740 posts)mr715
(3,712 posts)restricted to females?
Edit: Because I've read it is a fuzzy diagnosis with its only stand out characteristic being "girls have it" but Trump seems to fulfill much of the criteria
Irish_Dem
(81,740 posts)Men may present differently, more aggression and drugs, but it is still the same disorder.
Back in the day, women got a lot more mental illness diagnoses than men for a lot of reasons.
This topic would make a good dissertation.
Here is the clinical picture:
Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) is a mental health condition characterized by intense emotional instability, impulsive behaviors, disturbed self-image, and unstable relationships. Key symptoms include a frantic fear of abandonment, chronic feelings of emptiness, intense anger, and self-harming behaviors. These symptoms often cause severe impairment in daily life and relationships.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/borderline-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes
I think Trump fits other diagnoses better.
And he already has so many of them.
He is truly impaired.
Irish_Dem
(81,740 posts)I was thinking more about Trump and BPD.
He does fit the criteria for sure.
Well add it to the list of his insanity!
mr715
(3,712 posts)Irish_Dem
(81,740 posts)He is a walking DSM.
mr715
(3,712 posts)A little theology/eschatology, a little politics, a lot of abnormal psychology, a little cosmetology...
He is a monster requiring years of study. There will be garbage trucks of grant dollars used to understand what he has done to us.
DenaliDemocrat
(1,785 posts)They have a break in reality. Its not just being a prick. It is a severe mental illness. They are a hairs breadth away from schizophrenia.
People misuse the term.
Irish_Dem
(81,740 posts)Narcissists can have a delusional quality to their fantasy grandiosity.
But it is not like the acute psychotic episode of a schizophrenic.
It is an entirely different presentation to the trained clinical eye.
And it is not in the same category as schizophrenia, and the treatment may
be different.
DenaliDemocrat
(1,785 posts)And one definitely but undiagnosed (its highly genetic). Yes - they have delusional amnesia and actually believe they did not do some of the heinous shit they do. They filte r the world through a messed up lens
FalloutShelter
(14,524 posts)The Dark Triad refers to a trio of malevolent personality traitsnarcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathythat, while distinct, often overlap to produce manipulative, callous, and self-serving behavior. Individuals with these traits often lack empathy, are remorseless, and may charm or deceive others to gain power or reward.
Wikipedia
blubunyip
(290 posts)he's a textbook case of it. And we all saw it before he was elected. His enablers and sycophants have used him to great advantage.
lame54
(39,873 posts)For years
Trump just excels at it
GoCubsGo
(34,943 posts)On top of the dementia and malignant narcissism, he's an addict and a bully. What looks like schizophrenia is more likely him on or coming down off of whatever the hell he's snorting these days. Not to mention that he's pretty much a cornered rat at this point.
drmeow
(5,999 posts)who was diagnosed a paranoid schizophrenic in her 30's. No, Trump is not a paranoid schizophrenic.
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mr715
(3,712 posts)3catwoman3
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he does know that he is a complete fraud. If he were really secure in his belief that he is the greatest thing to ever walk the Earth, criticism would roll off him like the proverbial water off a ducks back.
Because he isnt, he is unable to ignore even the most minor of slights.
DenaliDemocrat
(1,785 posts)The problem is that the word is tossed around for anyone who is an asshole. A real pathological narcissist hears internal voices and lives in an alternative reality. They are assholes because they are delusional. They will literally believe their own lies.
Trump is likely a narcissist with strong Machiavellian and Antisocial traits = the dark triad. Remember he BELIEVES his lies. They are REAL in his head.
These people are so convincing they dupe therapists. I went to marital counseling for years. I took the whole blame - ALWAYS. Yet no matter how hard I tried - nothing got better. It wasnt until we moved and got a different therapist when she said thats abuse, and I said yeah, I can see how you came to that conclusion . She said no, yelling when someone crosses your boundaries is normal. YOU WERE ABUSED! Thank God for that woman - she saved my sanity and probably my life (spouses of narcissists die young - likely from stress related diseases). Anyway, from that came a lot of things and finally a formal diagnosis (now verified by multiple clinicians) of NPD.
I dont know why I shared this other than to say and remind someone that people with real NPD are very very sick and very very dangerous. Its not just being an asshole.
littlemissmartypants
(33,998 posts)Psychosis is not unique to one brain disorder.
*He's a psychopath based on a diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder. Well documented.
1. Aggressive, callous, and cunning
2. Complete absence of conscience and empathy
3. Very adept at manipulating others
4. Willingness to engage in immoral, criminal conduct
5. Willingness to take what they want and do as they please, regardless of who is hurt or wronged
6. Deceptive ability to appear outwardly benevolent
7. Deceptive ability to behave in superficially charming ways to hide purely selfish motives
8. Willingness to use intimidation and violence to control others in order to satisfy their own needs
9. Willingness to intentionally violate the basic inherent human rights of others
10. Complete absence of any sense of guilt or remorse for the harm their actions have caused to others
11. Rationalization of their own immoral behavior
12. Will attempt to lay blame upon someone else for their own conduct
13. Denial, will deny their own wrongdoing outright
14. Utter contemptuousness toward the feelings and desires of their fellow beings
15. Pathological lying, will say anything without any concern for truth to advance their own hidden agendas
16. Ablity to feign [fake] normal human emotions and empathy
17. Distorted sense of the consequences of their actions
18. Total failure to accept any responsibility for their own socially irresponsible ways
19. Strong bellef that they will never be brought to justice for their criminal behavior
littlemissmartypants
(33,998 posts)sop
(18,854 posts)And he happens to be the President of the United States.
Passages
(4,250 posts)Wealthy people often get away with their bad behavior; they insulate themselves with attorneys.
Trump's past is riddled with unethical conduct; he is a felon only after decades of avoiding accountability.
We must put a stopgap on future felons being able to serve in the White House.
ecstatic
(35,088 posts)and incompetence.
As far as schizophrenia, trump makes batshit crazy statements a lot of times, but I think if he were suffering from it, it would be undeniable. tRump traffics in crazy conspiracies but those conspiracies are actually circulating amongst the maggot population. If he were to cite completely novel conspiracies that nobody else mentioned, that would be a different story.
I don't think untreated paranoid schizophrenia is something people can hide. Also, is it even possible to get it after the age of 50 or so?
Jilly_in_VA
(14,461 posts)Aperson can have all kinds of pathologies going on at the same time, and he does.
SocialDemocrat61
(7,756 posts)Extreme Manipulation & Gaslighting: They use lies, charm, and deceit to control others for personal gain.
Lack of Empathy/Remorse: They show no guilt for harming others and often feel entitled to do so.
Violent or Hostile Behavior: They may use intimidation and physical or verbal aggression to maintain power.
Impulsivity and Irresponsibility: They frequently break laws, violate social norms, and fail to meet obligations.
Grandiosity & Arrogance: They believe they are special and superior to everyone else.
agingdem
(8,911 posts)1.a profound lack of empathy/conscience/remorse..unable to feel guilt/shame/suffering of others
2.a pathological lying/manipulator
3.narcissism/grandiosity...inflated sense of self-worth/superiority
4.impulsivity... acts on whims without considering long term consequences
5.antisocial behavior..disregard for social norms/rules/law/more likely to commit sexual assault/rape
callousness/irresponsibility...lack of accountability/failure to take responsibility for their actions
6.criminal tendencies..premeditated rather then impulsive
this is Donald Trump...