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LittleGirl

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19. After the debate,

Fri Jun 6, 2025, 11:28 AM

Jun 2025

I spoke to my spouse that was in Europe at the time. He asked how the debate went.
I hated saying it but I said Biden lost the election tonight.

I'm so disappointed about what happened. And what happened next. We should have run a primary and we should have started long before the debate night loss. Joe should have stepped down when primary season started. VP could have run and we could have had some actual data about who should be our next Potus. We failed that normal process and look what it got us. Absolute madness.

But I have to include this: I think Musk had far more influence in 2024 and I don't believe the totals. I don't believe trump won all of the swing states. I don't know what to think now. Nope. Very stinky results. Indeed.

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Karine Jean-Pierre leaving the Democratic Party because of how they treated Biden [View all] crimycarny Jun 2025 OP

But Biden isn't leaving JI7 Jun 2025 #1

Biden is fighting for his life. Cancer treatments really take it out of you... Hekate Jun 2025 #25

Which is why all those SOBs should stand WITH him. calimary Jun 2025 #49

It was a stunt to promote her book. RandySF Jun 2025 #2

Maybe, maybe not crimycarny Jun 2025 #3

Agreed. There'd be no Dems left if everyone abandoned the party because... brush Jun 2025 #28

Would you prefer she trashed Biden? That would have made her more money crimycarny Jun 2025 #61

Trashed Biden? That's not what she did. She trashed the party. I guess you prefer that. brush Jun 2025 #84

So then her book is a stunt? KPN Jun 2025 #39

An opportunity to make money. RandySF Jun 2025 #50

She has a story to tell and she should tell it. And if it makes money, go for it. tulipsandroses Jun 2025 #77

So that is what authors do. They all publicize through various means including doing interviews. At any rate, KPN Jun 2025 #83

I don't agree eith jumping to such a harsh assumption. ShazzieB Jun 2025 #73

IINO MichMan Jun 2025 #4

She needs to get out of the way TheProle Jun 2025 #5

Media was hoping for a "scandal" crimycarny Jun 2025 #12

Well, she kind of did both. At least to me that appears KPN Jun 2025 #40

Thanks for providing more information. yardwork Jun 2025 #6

Good for her. We expect these despicable acts by Republicans, but Democrats were all too happy travelingthrulife Jun 2025 #7

right on!! jaymac Jun 2025 #80

I will never get over what they did to Biden. Never. madibella Jun 2025 #86

American presidential politics is binary--it's either the Republican nominee or the Democratic one. elocs Jun 2025 #8

And I bet EVERY Jill Stein voter KNEW she couldn't win but they could use her to fuck with the Dems calimary Jun 2025 #31

Yes, but the Hillary campaign also made a big mistake that I think hurt her here. elocs Jun 2025 #60

Well, at the very least, thanks for clarifying. yorkster Jun 2025 #9

Still wish she had remained a Dem. yorkster Jun 2025 #10

As the party moves JustAnotherGen Jun 2025 #18

It might be a political calculation all women Bettie Jun 2025 #20

Black Women moving this way JustAnotherGen Jun 2025 #55

She obviously supports Biden. ShazzieB Jun 2025 #75

My DINO Senator jumped on the smear Biden bandwagon. Clouds Passing Jun 2025 #11

Nicolle Wallace was right there as well. yorkster Jun 2025 #22

It was immediately after the debate. I qui watching msnbc after that. Clouds Passing Jun 2025 #66

I'm for a consistent message from DNC rather than musical chairs and self-sabotage. usonian Jun 2025 #13

Oof! I feel badly mzmolly Jun 2025 #14

She's saying the quiet part out loud JustAnotherGen Jun 2025 #15

Rep Jasmine Crockett was my hero in the aftermath of the debate crimycarny Jun 2025 #32

I won't leave the Democratic party, PatSeg Jun 2025 #16

Thank you for the clarification MustLoveBeagles Jun 2025 #17

After the debate, LittleGirl Jun 2025 #19

Yes, I knew it would be over for Biden after the debate crimycarny Jun 2025 #24

Thanks for your agreement LittleGirl Jun 2025 #56

Joe didn't want to let anyone down crimycarny Jun 2025 #59

Biden spent six days at Camp David prior to the debate. NT Midwestern Democrat Jun 2025 #62

Your point? crimycarny Jun 2025 #88

I think you are right that the Democratic reaction was the final killer karynnj Jun 2025 #85

I no longer believe Trump won JustAnotherGen Jun 2025 #58

"...the way the Democratic leaders of the party publicly shot him in the back" LudwigPastorius Jun 2025 #21

Sigh...leaks to the press about Nancy and Chuck (and others) crimycarny Jun 2025 #29

Okay AverageOldGuy Jun 2025 #23

My guess is that Karine is trying to do a wake up call for Democrats Peacetrain Jun 2025 #26

It's probably to counter Jake Tapper. LisaM Jun 2025 #27

Clinton was just praising Biden Johonny Jun 2025 #30

Bill Clinton was GREAT in that interview where he stood by Biden crimycarny Jun 2025 #36

My point also maliaSmith Jun 2025 #37

Publicity stunt to sell a book. So pathetic awesomerwb1 Jun 2025 #33

Publicity stunt or not, at least she isn't piling on the "Biden cover up" train crimycarny Jun 2025 #41

We can agree to disagree awesomerwb1 Jun 2025 #46

Is she encouraging people to leave the Democratic party? crimycarny Jun 2025 #47

I agree 100%. ShazzieB Jun 2025 #74

Bizarre, isn't it? tulipsandroses Jun 2025 #79

Definitely bizarre. ShazzieB Jun 2025 #87

Absolutely agree crimycarny Jun 2025 #90

I don't disagree with what she feels and what she says about it, but where the hell else is she going to go? Texin Jun 2025 #34

Others still have Biden's back maliaSmith Jun 2025 #35

I loved Bill Clinton's interview defending Joe Biden! crimycarny Jun 2025 #44

Oh, No... Mike Nelson Jun 2025 #38

Would you rather it have been a hit piece on Joe Biden? crimycarny Jun 2025 #42

No, I don't want her book... Mike Nelson Jun 2025 #63

Just noticed the release date is October 21, 2025 crimycarny Jun 2025 #64

It's a bold release date... Mike Nelson Jun 2025 #65

Here is a good interview explaining her decision LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2025 #43

Thank you--I found the entire interview and listened to it after seeing this clip crimycarny Jun 2025 #94

Thank you for the link LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2025 #95

I felt the same way ... aggiesal Jun 2025 #45

Whew, good to hear flamingdem Jun 2025 #48

Seems to me the answer is NOT "when your party's in trouble, head for the hills". calimary Jun 2025 #51

Kinda like after the debate when many Dems were "heading for the hills" and abandoning Biden? crimycarny Jun 2025 #53

We still don't have anyone who can handle the media like Trump can gulliver Jun 2025 #52

Agree 100% crimycarny Jun 2025 #54

Karine is right. Baitball Blogger Jun 2025 #57

how is leaving helpful? I was furious when Biden was forced out by Democratic leaders Demsrule86 Jun 2025 #67

She's not going third party crimycarny Jun 2025 #89

I have to admit Saoirse9 Jun 2025 #68

Joe Joe Joe WVGal1963 Jun 2025 #69

THANKS for posting this. Jack Valentino Jun 2025 #70

Al Franken immediately comes to mind Picaro Jun 2025 #71

You summarized my feelings perfectly crimycarny Jun 2025 #91

It was stupid for her to do that oldmanlynn Jun 2025 #72

That's what I got from the first post about her leaving. All the people dumping on her was bonkers tulipsandroses Jun 2025 #76

I haven't read the book, but if she chooses to become an Independent I feel that's her business. HeartsCanHope Jun 2025 #78

I think you are not alone crimycarny Jun 2025 #93

The Corporate Media Eviscerated President Joseph Biden. waterwatcher123 Jun 2025 #81

weak and flimsy azureblue Jun 2025 #82

Karine Jean Pierre is leaving because they treated President Biden like shit LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2025 #92