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In reply to the discussion: Anne Applebaum-Ukrainians said to have hit 40 Russian planes this morning [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(105,574 posts)49. Cheryl Rofer: More Thoughts On Russia's Bomber Losses
(Rofer is a chemist who used to work at Los Alamos, and was involved in NBC clear-up of former Soviet countries after the dissolution of the USSR)
The Ukrainian drone attack hit two components of the Russian nuclear force. The primary purpose of the attack was to destroy the planes that launch cruise missiles at Ukraine. Some of those planes are also the types that carry nuclear weapons. There also were hits at Severomorsk, the headquarters of the Northern Fleet and Russias ballistic missile submarines. We have much less information about the hits at Severomorsk, so I wont say more about it in this post. I want to make clear that from what we know, no nuclear weapons were involved in todays action. The primary nuclear bomber bases were not targeted.
As much as a third of Russias nuclear bomber fleet was destroyed. No new bombers have been produced for some time, and there are no facilities to produce them. This has serious implications for the nuclear balance between Russia and the United States.
The nuclear balance is maintained when both sides can credibly destroy the other in a return attack. Both sides rely on three types of delivery vehicles for that second strike capability: land-based ICBMs, submarines, and bombers. The land-based ICBMs would go first, both offensively and defensively. Their locations and requirements for destruction are known, so they would be the first to be fired and the first to be destroyed.
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For those of us contemplating this from our place in front of a consumer-quality computer, it seems like it shouldnt make a big difference. But the military makes calculations of deterrence effects, and those calculations have now changed. Whether forcing that change was escalatory is not clear; we will eventually hear from Russia about that, mostly in what they do. My own judgment is that they will not escalate to the use of nuclear weapons. What else they do is open, although they now have fewer planes to do it with.
https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2025/06/more-thoughts-on-russias-bomber-losses
As much as a third of Russias nuclear bomber fleet was destroyed. No new bombers have been produced for some time, and there are no facilities to produce them. This has serious implications for the nuclear balance between Russia and the United States.
The nuclear balance is maintained when both sides can credibly destroy the other in a return attack. Both sides rely on three types of delivery vehicles for that second strike capability: land-based ICBMs, submarines, and bombers. The land-based ICBMs would go first, both offensively and defensively. Their locations and requirements for destruction are known, so they would be the first to be fired and the first to be destroyed.
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For those of us contemplating this from our place in front of a consumer-quality computer, it seems like it shouldnt make a big difference. But the military makes calculations of deterrence effects, and those calculations have now changed. Whether forcing that change was escalatory is not clear; we will eventually hear from Russia about that, mostly in what they do. My own judgment is that they will not escalate to the use of nuclear weapons. What else they do is open, although they now have fewer planes to do it with.
https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2025/06/more-thoughts-on-russias-bomber-losses
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Anne Applebaum-Ukrainians said to have hit 40 Russian planes this morning [View all]
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2025
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'Russian bombers are burning en masse' -- Ukraine's SBU drones hit 'more than 40' aircraft in mass attack, source claims
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2025
#1
BBC-Ukraine says at least 40 Russian warplanes hit in massive drone strikes
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2025
#5
The Russian air bases have been struck by drones launched from dump trucks. Up to 50 were fitted into one truck.
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2025
#8
Ukraine fights strategically. Putin goes for terrorizing civilians over tactical military targets
Attilatheblond
Jun 2025
#14
Since the purpose of NATO was and remains to keep pariah state ruskie govt in check, they really should be admitted
SheltieLover
Jun 2025
#47
Russia may have lost a nuclear submarine in today's attack by Ukraine 🇺🇦!!
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2025
#41
On top of strategic bombers and transport planes, Ukraine might have destroyed the last operational A-50 AEW aircraft
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2025
#52
This news is so awsome! If reports are accurate and true, I'm excited for Ukrainians.
Buddyzbuddy
Jun 2025
#55
In Moscow, Lieutenant General Sergei Kobyla, commander of the Russian Air Force, accidentally fell out of a window
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2025
#56
The total losses of the occupiers amounted to 41 military aircraft, including strategic bombers and other aircraft
LetMyPeopleVote
Jun 2025
#59