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muriel_volestrangler

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49. Cheryl Rofer: More Thoughts On Russia's Bomber Losses
Sun Jun 1, 2025, 03:21 PM
Jun 2025

(Rofer is a chemist who used to work at Los Alamos, and was involved in NBC clear-up of former Soviet countries after the dissolution of the USSR)

The Ukrainian drone attack hit two components of the Russian nuclear force. The primary purpose of the attack was to destroy the planes that launch cruise missiles at Ukraine. Some of those planes are also the types that carry nuclear weapons. There also were hits at Severomorsk, the headquarters of the Northern Fleet and Russia’s ballistic missile submarines. We have much less information about the hits at Severomorsk, so I won’t say more about it in this post. I want to make clear that from what we know, no nuclear weapons were involved in today’s action. The primary nuclear bomber bases were not targeted.

As much as a third of Russia’s nuclear bomber fleet was destroyed. No new bombers have been produced for some time, and there are no facilities to produce them. This has serious implications for the nuclear balance between Russia and the United States.

The nuclear balance is maintained when both sides can credibly destroy the other in a return attack. Both sides rely on three types of delivery vehicles for that second strike capability: land-based ICBMs, submarines, and bombers. The land-based ICBMs would go first, both offensively and defensively. Their locations and requirements for destruction are known, so they would be the first to be fired and the first to be destroyed.
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For those of us contemplating this from our place in front of a consumer-quality computer, it seems like it shouldn’t make a big difference. But the military makes calculations of deterrence effects, and those calculations have now changed. Whether forcing that change was escalatory is not clear; we will eventually hear from Russia about that, mostly in what they do. My own judgment is that they will not escalate to the use of nuclear weapons. What else they do is open, although they now have fewer planes to do it with.

https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2025/06/more-thoughts-on-russias-bomber-losses

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'Russian bombers are burning en masse' -- Ukraine's SBU drones hit 'more than 40' aircraft in mass attack, source claims muriel_volestrangler Jun 2025 #1
I think the most important phrase is ChazInAz Jun 2025 #24
Ukrainians are launching long range drone strikes from inside Russia LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2025 #2
Your math is off, javelin. 1,193 days into 3 day smo. niyad Jun 2025 #6
Thank you for the MAP. Wow, just wow. Slava Ukraini. Hekate Jun 2025 #53
This is such Grateful News.. TY, LMPV! Cha Jun 2025 #54
Need 40 more bombs on the Kremlin. Captain Zero Jun 2025 #3
One can only hope. The Madcap Jun 2025 #4
Do something symbolic, first. ChazInAz Jun 2025 #27
BBC-Ukraine says at least 40 Russian warplanes hit in massive drone strikes LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2025 #5
Like those 41 planes, he couldn't fly either. TheBlackAdder Jun 2025 #58
Slava Ukraini. Thank you for the update. niyad Jun 2025 #7
The Russian air bases have been struck by drones launched from dump trucks. Up to 50 were fitted into one truck. LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2025 #8
+1 dalton99a Jun 2025 #10
Ukraine fights strategically. Putin goes for terrorizing civilians over tactical military targets Attilatheblond Jun 2025 #14
And, imho, Ukraine has MORE than earned their place in the EU and NATO SheltieLover Jun 2025 #28
Absolutley, SheltieLover! Attilatheblond Jun 2025 #37
Ukraine should ABSOLUTELY be in NATO, IMO. SheltieLover Jun 2025 #46
Agree republianmushroom Jun 2025 #45
Since the purpose of NATO was and remains to keep pariah state ruskie govt in check, they really should be admitted SheltieLover Jun 2025 #47
There were good reasons Putin's old KGB bosses... paleotn Jun 2025 #31
Boots on the ground required to get them there. Impressive. Most impressive. paleotn Jun 2025 #30
The same thing would likely happen in the US if Crunchy Frog Jun 2025 #50
Brilliant, brave, audacious military operation. Irish_Dem Jun 2025 #39
Wow! Kaleva Jun 2025 #9
Soon from Russia CanonRay Jun 2025 #11
Ruskie govt is exactly like republiCONS -- lips moving means lies SheltieLover Jun 2025 #29
Russia's strategic bomber fleet burns! LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2025 #12
Murmansk and Irkutsk! Grins Jun 2025 #18
Those dump trucks had long journeys unc70 Jun 2025 #20
These trucks self destructed LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2025 #21
Huuuuge distances. This is incredible! paleotn Jun 2025 #33
Glad to see this! mcar Jun 2025 #13
Yeah baby!!! Wuddles440 Jun 2025 #15
Slava Ukraini!!🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦 gademocrat7 Jun 2025 #16
But...but...but Trump said they're losing!!! Grins Jun 2025 #17
Wonder how many drones we could build for the price of one F-35? Midnight Writer Jun 2025 #19
Operation Spiderweb was well planned LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2025 #22
Brilliant! ChazInAz Jun 2025 #32
I'd love to believe this is actually true. COL Mustard Jun 2025 #23
If it's fake, a lot of credible news agencies have fallen for it. Gore1FL Jun 2025 #36
OK, now the Washington Post is covering it COL Mustard Jun 2025 #38
Excellent! SheltieLover Jun 2025 #25
Bottom photo. They took out some Bears. paleotn Jun 2025 #26
Ukraine did destroy some Bears LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2025 #51
Whoosh! peggysue2 Jun 2025 #34
This is all great news, but, as an aside, I just have to say... dchill Jun 2025 #35
The Ukrainians have dramatically changed the nature of modern warfare. Borogove Jun 2025 #40
Russia may have lost a nuclear submarine in today's attack by Ukraine 🇺🇦!! LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2025 #41
Trump is gonna be so pissed that they didn't tell him. jmbar2 Jun 2025 #42
Wow....good job Ukraine. Melon Jun 2025 #43
Jesus Christ, Russia! Get with it! Aristus Jun 2025 #44
Operation "Spiderweb" 2025 LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2025 #48
Cheryl Rofer: More Thoughts On Russia's Bomber Losses muriel_volestrangler Jun 2025 #49
On top of strategic bombers and transport planes, Ukraine might have destroyed the last operational A-50 AEW aircraft LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2025 #52
This news is so awsome! If reports are accurate and true, I'm excited for Ukrainians. Buddyzbuddy Jun 2025 #55
In Moscow, Lieutenant General Sergei Kobyla, commander of the Russian Air Force, accidentally fell out of a window LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2025 #56
No credible media are reporting this. Emrys Jun 2025 #57
The total losses of the occupiers amounted to 41 military aircraft, including strategic bombers and other aircraft LetMyPeopleVote Jun 2025 #59
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