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cadoman

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54. I disagreed with this at first...

Fri Jan 17, 2025, 12:11 AM

Jan 17

https://www.270towin.com/2024-election-results-live/president/

But looking at the electoral college map puts your argument in the best light. What state did we really lose over the Gaza issue except potentially Michigan?

The depressed union vote likely hurt us in all of MI, WI, PA, OH. Inflation & border situation were likely a drag on our numbers everywhere.

Many here are leaning on racism and misogyny, but the same candidate we're calling the general public racist and misogynist for not supporting, was not supported by Democrats in the 2020 primaries.

If we weren't racist and misogynist for not supporting her in 2020, why is the general population treated differently for 2024?

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POLL: HUGE REASON WHY DEMS LOST The Kyle Kulinski Show [View all] Quixote1818 Jan 16 OP

Just in a state or two JustAnotherGen Jan 16 #1

Memories of the Bernie debacle in 2016 - we never seem to learn from out mistakes. walkingman Jan 16 #2

St. Bern fucked himself in 2016 Blue_Tires Jan 16 #9

My point was that many people got their feelings hurt and didn't vote in the election. walkingman Jan 16 #31

And now they've giftwrapped TWO terms to King Donnie Blue_Tires Jan 17 #80

Amen! JustAnotherGen Jan 16 #20

Retaining white, anglo Christian male power was the issue GoreWon2000 Jan 16 #3

As a White Anglo woman it sure as hell Disturbs, and Disgusts me! electric_blue68 Jan 17 #74

Screw this. Come back in four years kacekwl Jan 16 #4

The # 1, 2 and 3 reason was stupid voters. ny yaesu Jan 16 #5

Correct Cosmocat Jan 17 #77

Whatever Biden was going to do about the Israel-Gaza war, he was going to lose votes. Intractable Jan 16 #6

He wouldn't have lost Jewish votes unless he was anti semitic JI7 Jan 16 #12

I don't agree with your statements. Intractable Jan 16 #15

I said most Jewish voters. Not all. JI7 Jan 16 #16

You are not a good source of information for me. Intractable Jan 16 #17

It's not about losing Jewish votes...it's about losing enough Jewish votes. Self Esteem Jan 16 #18

Doubtful that is enough there are only about 6 million Jewish adults in the US and obviously not all of them voted. EdmondDantes_ Jan 16 #40

Doubtful enough what? Self Esteem Jan 16 #44

You said it was about losing enough Jewish votes EdmondDantes_ Jan 17 #79

I said that it was a no-win situation. Self Esteem Jan 17 #84

I suspect the Democrats lost more "Jewish" votes on economic issues, Jack Valentino Jan 16 #47

Israel has always been our worst enemy because we refuse to believe that from a foreign policy perspective. Jit423 Jan 17 #61

There are also a lot of people who support Israel because they see it as our main ally in the ME. LeftInTX Jan 16 #28

Yes, indeed. And also many, who support Israel for non-Jewish religious, eschatological, evangelical, end-times reasons. Intractable Jan 16 #33

Yeah, but they aren't independent voters that we're trying to court. However, there are plenty of moderates LeftInTX Jan 16 #34

And probably MORE "moderates" who voted the cost of eggs and a bag of Doritos. Jack Valentino Jan 16 #49

Thank-you. JohnSJ Jan 17 #64

there was one card he could have played that you hint at cadoman Jan 16 #45

The poll was conducted by The Institute for Middle East Understanding, a pro-Palestinian foreign-policy advocacy Galraedia Jan 16 #7

The poll was conducted by YouGov. Ms. Toad Jan 17 #62

Harris got 6 million fewer votes than Biden in 2020: 75 million to 81 million. maxsolomon Jan 16 #8

Cutting off their nose to spite their face Blue_Tires Jan 16 #11

The Muslim vote was lost before the current conflict JI7 Jan 16 #14

The young voters. They have been out in the streets every weekend womanofthehills Jan 16 #24

Why did they stop after the election? LeftInTX Jan 16 #26

social media are informed on Gaza at a level that TV viewers don't understand cadoman Jan 16 #52

Pro Palestine protesters outside state dept today womanofthehills Jan 17 #57

Don't hold me to these statistics... Marigold Jan 16 #32

Useful idiots, all of them... Blue_Tires Jan 16 #10

what EVER the fucking reason means now we have to live YoshidaYui Jan 16 #13

More denialism Comrade Citizen Jan 16 #19

they have the right to vote stopdiggin Jan 16 #22

Nope Comrade Citizen Jan 16 #23

Yep. stopdiggin Jan 16 #25

Typical Comrade Citizen Jan 16 #27

your the one that framed the arguement around Women of Color stopdiggin Jan 17 #55

Heard it all before Comrade Citizen Jan 17 #59

well, you didn't here it here stopdiggin Jan 17 #66

de rec, especially for the blatantly false claim: Celerity Jan 16 #29

correction Comrade Citizen Jan 16 #30

that was not the only error, there is no American State that has this: Celerity Jan 16 #38

umm... Comrade Citizen Jan 16 #39

I am not being hostile, I am just calling out falsehoods in your initial claim (that you are now trying to revise, btw) Celerity Jan 16 #41

Here is a truth that can't be denied Comrade Citizen Jan 16 #42

Sadly,she got less of the POC vote then Biden did in 2020 Kaleva Jan 16 #46

VP Harris was just too good for the US Comrade Citizen Jan 16 #48

+1 Kaleva Jan 16 #50

which has nothing to do with your original statement. ZonkerHarris Jan 16 #51

for every vote that shifted in response to Gaza stopdiggin Jan 16 #21

I disagreed with this at first... cadoman Jan 17 #54

My Gen Z kids reluctantly voted for Biden. Sky Jewels Jan 16 #35

I can't even count people I personally know who refused to vote based on Gaza vanessa_ca Jan 17 #63

I blame the spewing of false genocide ZRB Jan 17 #72

False genocide? Sky Jewels Jan 17 #81

Tell that to Hamas ZRB Jan 17 #82

Americans are idiots, that was the number one reason. dem4decades Jan 16 #36

GOP Contributions from Conservative Billionaires was just as huge. Rhiagel Jan 16 #37

That makes no sense at all. The felon is going to give Gaza to Jared Scrivener7 Jan 16 #43

October 7 is Putin's birthday YorkRd Jan 17 #53

No. Not enough people bothered to vote. Gaza didn't mean squat in this election. valleyrogue Jan 17 #56

Yeah, I don't think it made much of a difference. LeftInTX Jan 17 #58

Ah the traditional six month period qazplm135 Jan 17 #60

The Democratic Party should heed the call of the antiwar elements in the US. C0RI0LANUS Jan 17 #65

In 1972, we did. It did not turn out well..... LeftInTX Jan 17 #67

Hi LeftinTX. How have you been? C0RI0LANUS Jan 17 #68

McGovern really supported the Vietnam protesters and ending the war. It did not go well: 1972 LeftInTX Jan 17 #69

But you are not pro-war yourself, right? C0RI0LANUS Jan 17 #70

I don't believe running against the war would have helped. We would have been seen as pro-terrorist. LeftInTX Jan 17 #71

The Democratic Party needs to run away from... ZRB Jan 17 #73

I was Anti-War in '68... electric_blue68 Jan 17 #75

Hi electric_blue68. You were antiwar but supported HHH. I am antiwar and voted for Kamala. Democracy at work. C0RI0LANUS Jan 17 #76

Nope, not even close. Littlered Jan 17 #78

Another nixon/vietnam treason. Another reagan/iranhostages treason. It works. Clouds Passing Jan 17 #83