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Self Esteem

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44. Doubtful enough what?

Thu Jan 16, 2025, 10:54 PM

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The issue is that Harris saw a drop in Jewish support and even then, Biden still had a very favorable approach to Israel. Had he completely backed away from Israel and refused to support them, any improvement Harris saw with Muslims would likely be negated by losses with Jewish voters.

Again: there was no winning option here. Biden alienating Jewish voters would have hurt Harris too.

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POLL: HUGE REASON WHY DEMS LOST The Kyle Kulinski Show [View all] Quixote1818 15 hrs ago OP

Just in a state or two JustAnotherGen 15 hrs ago #1

Memories of the Bernie debacle in 2016 - we never seem to learn from out mistakes. walkingman 15 hrs ago #2

St. Bern fucked himself in 2016 Blue_Tires 14 hrs ago #9

My point was that many people got their feelings hurt and didn't vote in the election. walkingman 11 hrs ago #31

Amen! JustAnotherGen 12 hrs ago #20

Retaining white, anglo Christian male power was the issue GoreWon2000 15 hrs ago #3

As a White Anglo woman it sure as hell Disturbs, and Disgusts me! electric_blue68 1 hr ago #74

Screw this. Come back in four years kacekwl 15 hrs ago #4

The # 1, 2 and 3 reason was stupid voters. ny yaesu 15 hrs ago #5

Correct Cosmocat 1 hr ago #77

Whatever Biden was going to do about the Israel-Gaza war, he was going to lose votes. Intractable 14 hrs ago #6

He wouldn't have lost Jewish votes unless he was anti semitic JI7 14 hrs ago #12

I don't agree with your statements. Intractable 13 hrs ago #15

I said most Jewish voters. Not all. JI7 13 hrs ago #16

You are not a good source of information for me. Intractable 13 hrs ago #17

It's not about losing Jewish votes...it's about losing enough Jewish votes. Self Esteem 13 hrs ago #18

Doubtful that is enough there are only about 6 million Jewish adults in the US and obviously not all of them voted. EdmondDantes_ 11 hrs ago #40

Doubtful enough what? Self Esteem 9 hrs ago #44

I suspect the Democrats lost more "Jewish" votes on economic issues, Jack Valentino 9 hrs ago #47

Israel has always been our worst enemy because we refuse to believe that from a foreign policy perspective. Jit423 7 hrs ago #61

There are also a lot of people who support Israel because they see it as our main ally in the ME. LeftInTX 12 hrs ago #28

Yes, indeed. And also many, who support Israel for non-Jewish religious, eschatological, evangelical, end-times reasons. Intractable 11 hrs ago #33

Yeah, but they aren't independent voters that we're trying to court. However, there are plenty of moderates LeftInTX 11 hrs ago #34

And probably MORE "moderates" who voted the cost of eggs and a bag of Doritos. Jack Valentino 9 hrs ago #49

Thank-you. JohnSJ 7 hrs ago #64

there was one card he could have played that you hint at cadoman 9 hrs ago #45

The poll was conducted by The Institute for Middle East Understanding, a pro-Palestinian foreign-policy advocacy Galraedia 14 hrs ago #7

The poll was conducted by YouGov. Ms. Toad 7 hrs ago #62

Harris got 6 million fewer votes than Biden in 2020: 75 million to 81 million. maxsolomon 14 hrs ago #8

Cutting off their nose to spite their face Blue_Tires 14 hrs ago #11

The Muslim vote was lost before the current conflict JI7 14 hrs ago #14

The young voters. They have been out in the streets every weekend womanofthehills 12 hrs ago #24

Why did they stop after the election? LeftInTX 12 hrs ago #26

social media are informed on Gaza at a level that TV viewers don't understand cadoman 9 hrs ago #52

Pro Palestine protesters outside state dept today womanofthehills 8 hrs ago #57

Don't hold me to these statistics... Marigold 11 hrs ago #32

Useful idiots, all of them... Blue_Tires 14 hrs ago #10

what EVER the fucking reason means now we have to live YoshidaYui 14 hrs ago #13

More denialism Comrade Citizen 12 hrs ago #19

they have the right to vote stopdiggin 12 hrs ago #22

Nope Comrade Citizen 12 hrs ago #23

Yep. stopdiggin 12 hrs ago #25

Typical Comrade Citizen 12 hrs ago #27

your the one that framed the arguement around Women of Color stopdiggin 8 hrs ago #55

Heard it all before Comrade Citizen 7 hrs ago #59

well, you didn't here it here stopdiggin 6 hrs ago #66

de rec, especially for the blatantly false claim: Celerity 12 hrs ago #29

correction Comrade Citizen 11 hrs ago #30

that was not the only error, there is no American State that has this: Celerity 11 hrs ago #38

umm... Comrade Citizen 11 hrs ago #39

I am not being hostile, I am just calling out falsehoods in your initial claim (that you are now trying to revise, btw) Celerity 11 hrs ago #41

Here is a truth that can't be denied Comrade Citizen 10 hrs ago #42

Sadly,she got less of the POC vote then Biden did in 2020 Kaleva 9 hrs ago #46

VP Harris was just too good for the US Comrade Citizen 9 hrs ago #48

+1 Kaleva 9 hrs ago #50

which has nothing to do with your original statement. ZonkerHarris 9 hrs ago #51

for every vote that shifted in response to Gaza stopdiggin 12 hrs ago #21

I disagreed with this at first... cadoman 8 hrs ago #54

My Gen Z kids reluctantly voted for Biden. Sky Jewels 11 hrs ago #35

I can't even count people I personally know who refused to vote based on Gaza vanessa_ca 7 hrs ago #63

I blame the spewing of false genocide ZRB 3 hrs ago #72

Americans are idiots, that was the number one reason. dem4decades 11 hrs ago #36

GOP Contributions from Conservative Billionaires was just as huge. Rhiagel 11 hrs ago #37

That makes no sense at all. The felon is going to give Gaza to Jared Scrivener7 10 hrs ago #43

October 7 is Putin's birthday YorkRd 8 hrs ago #53

No. Not enough people bothered to vote. Gaza didn't mean squat in this election. valleyrogue 8 hrs ago #56

Yeah, I don't think it made much of a difference. LeftInTX 8 hrs ago #58

Ah the traditional six month period qazplm135 7 hrs ago #60

The Democratic Party should heed the call of the antiwar elements in the US. C0RI0LANUS 7 hrs ago #65

In 1972, we did. It did not turn out well..... LeftInTX 5 hrs ago #67

Hi LeftinTX. How have you been? C0RI0LANUS 5 hrs ago #68

McGovern really supported the Vietnam protesters and ending the war. It did not go well: 1972 LeftInTX 5 hrs ago #69

But you are not pro-war yourself, right? C0RI0LANUS 5 hrs ago #70

I don't believe running against the war would have helped. We would have been seen as pro-terrorist. LeftInTX 5 hrs ago #71

The Democratic Party needs to run away from... ZRB 3 hrs ago #73

I was Anti-War in '68... electric_blue68 1 hr ago #75

Hi electric_blue68. You were antiwar but supported HHH. I am antiwar and voted for Kamala. Democracy at work. C0RI0LANUS 1 hr ago #76