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30. it actually is complicated
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 07:11 PM
Jan 2025

...most high profile prosecutions are complicated.

People selling the notion that this was to be an easy or assured process have been proven wrong, by the perps, judges, and justices who delayed this prosecution until we voted.

As Smith says in his report, 2023 was plenty of time to try Trump, but he got special consideration from the judges and justices which denied the people his day in court.

To neglect to blame the judges for delaying an indictment that dropped in August 2023 is just weirdness. Instead there's this convoluted reasoning that there was a completed investigation ready to present to a grand jury the minute Garland came in.

I get how opportunistic to the misinformation that ir was Garland who refused to indict earlier, but that's not how the process works, and it's at odds with what the Special Counsel outlined in his report about the myriad appeals which not only delayed the case, but prevented the evidence and testimony that a team of a couple dozen accomplished, career PROSECUTORS had gathered from as early as 2021 from being available to DOJ to present in any grand jury.

So it's just sophistry to claim they could have moved into court, when Smith himself has outlined key evidence like witness testimony and which wasn't even available until 2023. Refusing to read the report and accept its findings allows people to persist in these obvious distortions of the investigation and misrepresent who was actually responsible for holding up an indictment ready to go August 2023, until it was made moot by voters in November 2024.

People must think we're too stupid to recognize that garland and Smith landed the indictments with plenty of time to complete a trial. We all saw the Supreme Court engineer their hearings to move the decision close to the election and months into the future.

Refusing to call that out isn't some virtue, it's a serious fault in the 'Garland late' and the 'Garland bad' refrains which only serve to divert from the people responsible for holding up the trial for over a year.

It's negligent and weirdly diverting from the actual culprits, but nonetheless, people pointing this out, including Jack Smith, are to be the subjects of derision? You're ignoring the actual perps and their enablers and pointing fingers at the cops prosecuting them. It's perverse reasoning and just factually wrong.

You should read the report before engaging people with things refuted in it.

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So... who's sitting on Vol. 2 now? C_U_L8R Jan 2025 #1
Cannon, not Garland. You don't get to push Garland to violate the law because you won't suffer consequences Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2025 #4
garland admitted cannon does not have that authority. Think. Again. Jan 2025 #5
Yes, but until the courts rule against her, her ruling has temporary authority. Breaking it is breaking the law Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2025 #9
She does not have temporary authority... Think. Again. Jan 2025 #11
They are not in her court, but she has ruled. Until a judge is over-ruled, their rulings hold sway Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2025 #15
judges can't just go ruling on cases that are not in their courts. Think. Again. Jan 2025 #17
Correct. They can't. But they do. And until they are corrected, their rulings stay current and enforceable Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2025 #21
Yes, they can't. Think. Again. Jan 2025 #24
. Scrivener7 Jan 2025 #2
that's a problem bigtree Jan 2025 #8
. Scrivener7 Jan 2025 #10
again with the cartoon ass bigtree Jan 2025 #13
. Scrivener7 Jan 2025 #14
You have no argument or facts, so you show your ass to a fellow DU member. You can do better. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2025 #16
You're wasting your electrons. It has been conclusively established Ocelot II Jan 2025 #3
Still with this Garland defense? He failed spectacularly to. prosecute and jail trump. Now the traitor... brush Jan 2025 #6
it's more valid than the lies spread that Garland was inactive or delayed something. bigtree Jan 2025 #12
It's not complicated. Not immediately investigating, indicting, prosecuting and convicting trump first thing... brush Jan 2025 #20
it actually is complicated bigtree Jan 2025 #30
Nah, Garland failed horribly. Nothing complicated about that fact., on that trump takes over again in a few days... brush Jan 2025 #39
that's not true at all bigtree Jan 2025 #40
I say Garland failed horribly, you disagree. Let's leave it at that. brush Jan 2025 #41
It's not a defence, it is a more balanced perspective. Even Biden was disappointed in Garland Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2025 #18
You realize Smith just skipped over the first 2 years in his report, right? Think. Again. Jan 2025 #7
You don't cite the Smith report at all iemanja Jan 2025 #19
please post the quote from President Biden saying the appointment was a mistake bigtree Jan 2025 #29
Why cling to caring his water? iemanja Jan 2025 #32
why continue to criticize the AG with things clearly refuted by the report?. bigtree Jan 2025 #35
Naturally. As a rational adult, that's what I expected. No surprises there. Oopsie Daisy Jan 2025 #22
Well is this true or not: Stargleamer Jan 2025 #23
So there was "solid evidence" linking the rioters to Trump, but... Cowpunk Jan 2025 #25
reports dispute that. That financial investigation took place shortly after the arrests of rioters bigtree Jan 2025 #31
The problem with that is he didn't appoint the special counsel until a year later than he should have. JohnSJ Jan 2025 #26
Musk bought Twitter qazplm135 Jan 2025 #27
Respect Jack Smith to say he's wrong, but, republianmushroom Jan 2025 #28
you posted the Carol Leonning article which just lied about what the DOJ was doing bigtree Jan 2025 #33
imagine if Garland put this much effort into correcting misinformation! That might have helped. thebigidea Jan 2025 #34
no prosecutor discusses ongoing prosecutions in public bigtree Jan 2025 #36
Nor do they discuss cases that they don't want to prosecute for political reasons. republianmushroom Jan 2025 #37
we know that the AG doesn't just bring forward charges on his own will and whim bigtree Jan 2025 #38
We all so know trump committed more crimes than what he was indicted for. republianmushroom Jan 2025 #42
that's not the way law works bigtree Jan 2025 #43
I don't take legal advice or analysis I'm not paying for since it's generally worthless thebigidea Jan 2025 #44
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