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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCharges Merrick Garland delayed or dragged his feet on the investigation are proven false in the Smith report
...they persisted because most of the substantive details of the investigation initiated by AG Garland's prosecutors in 2021 were kept secret by DOJ, except for court filings and what the perps revealed.
Now we have a report in which Jack Smith defends the AG against those charges, outlining how delays which the myriad appeals and challenges made by the perps subpoenaed for evidence and testimony often stretched out for months and years, not always ovelapping, and stretching out for years, well into the Smith appointment with Garland prosecutors defending those key pieces of evidence and testimony in courts well into his term.
Politico touched on this yesterday:
You have to wonder what journos and pundits like Carol Leonning are thinking today, trying to decide whether to double down on their false reporting that there was some delay or indecision from the AG about proceeding to prosecute Trump and his henchmen, or equivocate.
Many people inside DOJ strongly believe this . As one told us - without the Jan 6 committee Im convinced there wouldnt have been a DOJ investigation into Trumps role.
Like most of Garland's critics, she should actually read people like Marcy Wheeler who has spent the years since that intrepid WaPo reporter wrote the article that was repeated and embellished by countless people to subvert and demagogue the efforts of the AG, including notables like Weissmann who spouted off those exact lies about the Garland's efforts as if he had some inside knowledge of a secret investigatory process; he just read from her article and embellished her misinformation with derision and hyper-concern.
here's Marcy:
(Critics) complained today that DOJ pursued the money trail and suspected communications with the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers immediately, both of which theories had solid evidence (likely arising from the mishandled Brandon Straka prosecution and the Owen Shroyer arrest) behind them. The money trail ended up being a dry hole; the comms angle ended up being inconclusive. But thats the kind of thing Goodman and his ilk were demanding in real time multiple prongs to pursue the case. Follow the money!
Instead, prosecutors most productive 2021 efforts appears to be getting an SDNY judge to allow DOJ to use the existing Special Master review for phones seized from Rudy Giuliani in April 2021 to prioritize obtaining the January 6 content. DOJ started with Co-Conspirator #1, and did so in a way that Trump had limited ability to obstruct. And from there, they seized one after another phone: John Eastman and Jeffrey Clark in June 2022, Scott Perry in August 2022, Boris Epshteyn and Mike Roman in September 2022, all of which would have had delays (not reflected in Jack Smiths report because none of those have been unsealed) because of attorney-client, Speech and Debate, or technical exploitation issues, yet all of which would have been necessary given their reliance on encrypted apps. (This post argues that Smith likely didnt get the content of Roman and Epshteyns phones until after he first indicted Trump.) You were never going to avoid getting the co-conspirator phones, because this coup was planned on encrypted apps and all of them fought disclosure. It appears that DOJ opportunistically seized the first of those on the first day there was a confirmed DAG to approve doing so. It is also clear that that wasnt enough.
But if youre going to make these complaints about what you read in Jack Smiths report, you should note what else Smith said. The January 6 Committee work comprised a small part of the Offices investigative record, but before Smith could use anything from J6C, prosecutors first had to develop[] or verif[y those facts] through independent interviews and other investigative steps.
The Offices investigation included consideration of the report issued on December 22, 2022, by the U.S. House of Representatives Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, as well as certain materials received from the Committee. Those materials comprised a small part of the Offices investigative record, and any facts on which the Office relied to make a prosecution decision were developed or verified through independent interviews and other investigative steps. During the prosecution of the Election Case, Mr. Trump alleged that the Select Committee and Special Counsels Office were one and the same and sought additional discovery about the Select Committees work. The district court rejected the claim. See ECF No. 263 at 47 (concluding that Mr. Trump has not supplied an adequate basis to consider the January 6 Select Committee part of the prosecution team). Regardless, the Office provided or otherwise made available to Mr. Trump in discovery all materials received from the Select Committee. See ECF No. 263 at 47 (the Government states that it has already produced all the records it received from the Committee).
We know from the immunity appendix that Jack Smith had productive follow-up interviews with Bill Barr, Ronna McDaniel, and Jason Miller, among others, to say nothing about more extensive cooperation with Eric Herschmann and Mike Pences privilege-waived interview(s).
But validating what J6C did could not start until J6C released transcripts in December 2022, after a 3-7 month delay.
more:https://www.emptywheel.net/2025/01/15/what-jack-smith-didnt-say-about-the-january-6-investigation/
thread:
Kyle Cheney @kyledcheney
NEW: Jack Smith defended Garlands pace, laying out DOJs frenetic, secretive efforts to win privilege fights with recalcitrant witnesses Scott Perry, Mike Pence, John Eastman that took months.
More takeaways from the Smith report. w/ @joshgerstein
https://politico.com/news/2025/01/14/jack-smith-special-counsel-report-takeaways-00198252
related:
Merrick Garland is Getting a Bum Rap
The claim that he is responsible for Trumps evasion of accountability is clearly wrong.
https://harrylitman.substack.com/p/merrick-garland-is-getting-a-bum
C_U_L8R
(45,852 posts)Just release it. Thank you.
Bernardo de La Paz
(51,820 posts)Easy to advocate somebody else taking the risks breaking the law for you.
Think. Again.
(19,881 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(51,820 posts)It is convenient to advocate from an armchair that a high official should break the law.
Think. Again.
(19,881 posts)...those cases are not in her court right now.
Bernardo de La Paz
(51,820 posts)I invite those with actual knowledge and experience to review and correct my I-am-not-a-lawyer type of assertions. You could make the same invitation with regard to your post.
Think. Again.
(19,881 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(51,820 posts)But you don't call for review of your assertions by knowledgeable people. It seems you feel your knowledge is superior to mine. It could easily be, but I see no evidence that it is.
Think. Again.
(19,881 posts)Scrivener7
(53,489 posts)bigtree
(90,394 posts)...when facts are being discussed.
The discussion was flying when people were making it all up. Now that we have actual facts of the investigation available, many critics are pretending they don't exist.
Who ignores actual facts revealed in an investigation and prosecution they spent years complaining wasn't happening?
Who does that?
bigtree
(90,394 posts)...so disgusting to engage with someone here with such obscenity.
If you have something to discuss then do it. This harrassing ridicule speaks for itself, though.
Bernardo de La Paz
(51,820 posts)Ocelot II
(121,904 posts)that Merrick Garland is an agent of Satan; we shouldn't be swayed by what his tool Jack Smith and unqualified moron Harry Litman say. https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19909413. Expertise isn't important; only what we've decided to believe is important. My mind is made up so don't confuse me with facts.
brush
(58,328 posts)is to become president again in less than a week. A special counsel appointed two years into his term wasn't necessay. Garland himself should've headed the investigation, prosecution et al. It should've been his most important task upon taking office.
A former president tried to overthrow the government instead of peacefully transferring power to the candidate who defeated him in. the 2020 election.
Jack Smith's report not withstanding as there shouldn't have been such a report from a special counsel appointed two years too late.
End of story.
bigtree
(90,394 posts)...find one thing that Garland delayed in the report.
You present such a simplistic and incomplete projection of the investigation and prosecution that it's meaningless in a discussion of facts.
That's what this is, a discussion of facts in the investigation, not a continuation of the speculation and outright bull that characterized the period when all of this was done confidentialy.
We should be done with these false projections which have no basis in fact.
If you have proof of what you allege you should post it. Without it, what you wrote is completely unbelieveable and easily refuted from the facts in the Smith report.
The report states clearly that the investigation DID begin shortly after he took office, in the Fall of 2021, so that assertion of yours has been proven untrue, in the report, and in reporting for years now.
You can't support that claim of yours from anything in the final report, and I'm guessing that's why you didn't provide any proof of your claims whatsoever.
brush
(58,328 posts)as nothing was more important than getting prosecuting a former president who tried to overthrow the US government. GARLAND did not do that. Turns out he is ill suited for the AG job. Not aggressive enough. Jack Smith exhibited that quality necessary for a prosecutor. Too bad he wasn't the AG pick as AG Garland doesn't have that quality.
trump should've been tried and jailed long before the corrupt SCOTUS 6 justices got involved with their bullshit immunity ruling.
It's all water under the bridge now as an equally corrupt president is set to take over in less that a week because of Garland's spectacular failure. We all saw trump's crimes and dereliction of duty in real time on live TV.
As I've said, it's not that complicated.
bigtree
(90,394 posts)...most high profile prosecutions are complicated.
People selling the notion that this was to be an easy or assured process have been proven wrong, by the perps, judges, and justices who delayed this prosecution until we voted.
As Smith says in his report, 2023 was plenty of time to try Trump, but he got special consideration from the judges and justices which denied the people his day in court.
To neglect to blame the judges for delaying an indictment that dropped in August 2023 is just weirdness. Instead there's this convoluted reasoning that there was a completed investigation ready to present to a grand jury the minute Garland came in.
I get how opportunistic to the misinformation that ir was Garland who refused to indict earlier, but that's not how the process works, and it's at odds with what the Special Counsel outlined in his report about the myriad appeals which not only delayed the case, but prevented the evidence and testimony that a team of a couple dozen accomplished, career PROSECUTORS had gathered from as early as 2021 from being available to DOJ to present in any grand jury.
So it's just sophistry to claim they could have moved into court, when Smith himself has outlined key evidence like witness testimony and which wasn't even available until 2023. Refusing to read the report and accept its findings allows people to persist in these obvious distortions of the investigation and misrepresent who was actually responsible for holding up an indictment ready to go August 2023, until it was made moot by voters in November 2024.
People must think we're too stupid to recognize that garland and Smith landed the indictments with plenty of time to complete a trial. We all saw the Supreme Court engineer their hearings to move the decision close to the election and months into the future.
Refusing to call that out isn't some virtue, it's a serious fault in the 'Garland late' and the 'Garland bad' refrains which only serve to divert from the people responsible for holding up the trial for over a year.
It's negligent and weirdly diverting from the actual culprits, but nonetheless, people pointing this out, including Jack Smith, are to be the subjects of derision? You're ignoring the actual perps and their enablers and pointing fingers at the cops prosecuting them. It's perverse reasoning and just factually wrong.
You should read the report before engaging people with things refuted in it.
brush
(58,328 posts)because of Garland's failure.
Bernardo de La Paz
(51,820 posts)... and so am I. But the attacks against Garland tend to be overblown and ignoring facts, often stating the opposite of true facts.
Think. Again.
(19,881 posts)iemanja
(55,074 posts)You excerpt defenses from his defenders. The report actually says that Trump world have been convicted. But why wasnt he? Because of the presidential election, and that was only an issue because the investigation didnt proceed in vigor until Smith was appointed two years after Garland took office. When Garland appointed Smith, he said he couldnt undertake an investigation himself due to political reasons. POLITICS, not a lack of evidence.
You cite as revelation Politicos point that Twitter delayed releasing account info for weeks, all while implying the two-year delay didnt matter. Shorter judicial delays, you insist, mattered more than Garlands two-year delay.
Then there is the nonsense about the Jan 6 committee, that DOJ has to first verify its findings. You do realize there was no reason for DOJ to wait for that report other than stalling. DOJ has never before given deference to a congressional committee over its own investigation.
You claim the report clears Garland in the title to your OP but dont actually provide any evidence from the report. Your title is therefore misleading.
My question to you is why are you so determined to stand up for someone who the president has said was a mistake to appoint? Why care so much? Is this because you cant face the fact you were wrong for carrying his water all these years?
bigtree
(90,394 posts)...in regard to the prosecution of Trump.
You're likely relying on that one clickbait article which couldn't find one person to go on the record to say anything of the sort, much less criticize the Trump investigation or the prosecution.
It just didn't happen. President Biden has not leveled blame at Merrick Garland for either the pace or length of his investigation, much lass criticize the prosecution. That part of your criticism is someone elses invention. If they had an actual Biden quote about the Trump investigation they'd publish it, like you would.
If you bother to actually read the report, you will see all of the challenges and obstacles to what some people are still projecting from their imaginations was a slam dunk.
You can see in the report that many of the considerations of the Jan. 6 committee were not considered chargeable offenses at the end of their investigations and hundreds interviewed.
As the report stats in a footnote, only a small fraction of the committee's evidence was used in the indictment, and that was information used to describe Trump's conduct that day, and also the activities of his supporters who rioted at the Capitol to demonstrate Trump's fraudulent intent.
You can see in the report how Smith took actual convictions which Garland's prosecutors achieved, including 55 violent offenders and leveraged those prosecutions into his argument that Trump intended to overturn the results of the election and stop the certification of votes cast.
The amateurish way his critics derided those arrests is just one instance where they demonstrate a profound misunderstanding of not only this case, but what an actual prosecution involves.
It's not anywhere near sufficient for the prosecution in any case to just gather up all of the evidence they believe is incriminating and make conclusions based on their own presentation of evidence, like the Jan.6 committee was privileged to conduct in their own effort.
Prosecutors are also obligated, under rules of Discovery, to provide ALL of the evidence the prosecution is looking at to the defense team, which included ALL of the testimony and other evidence Congress had obtained (however insignificant to an actual prosecution in a court) and had refused to turn over to the DOJ until months after their hearings, despite a year of requests from DOJ, actually delaying two riot leader prosecutions into the next year.
All of that material would need to be reconciled into the prosecution's case, so it was more than disingenuous for people like Adam Schiff to continually chide DOJ for delays at the same time his committee was holding them up.
Prosecutors have real challenges, as we all can see for ourselves if we look at the dozens of perps who resisted testifying over claims of privilege, or attorneys claiming client protections, and ALL of the evidence challenged by the perps in successive hearings that sometimes reached to the Supreme Court before republican and Trump nominated judges and justices.
You appear to have no idea at all about what was involved, so I suggest you start with the report and look up everything that puzzles you as you read along.
Other than that, you can continue to hold onto these distortions and outright untruths. I had explained to my wife that this is like the internet watching GOT at the same time. There's ONE actual narrative, one script. Someone just coming on and making it all up isn't going to fly with people who've watched the series or read the book, 'Fire and Ice'.
You likely can't see any of that because you likely didn't bother to actually read the report. You have to actually engage with the facts to have a cogent discussion, at least with me.
Tell me exactly what evidence that's key in the actual indictment which was available to present to the grand jury before at least 2022. This report says that those key findings were not available until they got the perps to testify, and they did that through the courts which set hearings months, sometimes over a year in the future.
And these appeal hearings which often had dates set well into the future by Trump compliant judges and justices didn't all run at the same time. They were stretched out all throughout, running well into Smith's term, some never getting out of the courts until the indictment had already dropped.
KEY witnesses like Cipplione, had their testimony on hold while they appealed. Those were the most significant delays. Others, like phones and other communications key to demonstrating the fraud committed to the grand juries who the federal government relies on to make charging decisions, took years, like Guiliani's, Clark's, Eastman's, and Toening's.
ALL of that needed to be reconciled before the appeals courts and approved for use before the grand juries.
I'm wondering if you believe the AG can just make charging decisions on his own will and whim, especially this one who's boss was going to run against the defendant in the upcoming election?
It would be extraordinary and against almost every federal prosecution on the books to neglect to use a grand jury to bring these charges. That is a legal process with rules of evidence that can make or break cases, not something anyone at DOJ can force through without sufficient proof and witness testimony. It's incredible anyone would suggest otherwise, but here we are.
You should read the report, and not expect me to spend my time responding to things that aren't at all evident in there.
iemanja
(55,074 posts)For what purpose?
Ill respond to the rest of your post when I have time. I actually have to work to pay my bills, so I dont have time to wallpaper the site with excuses for an incompetent official.
bigtree
(90,394 posts)...it's like you're asking why someone is correcting your falsehoods.
Should be obvious why. But let me spell it out further.
Your falsehoods about Garland delaying the prosecutions diverts from and serves to obsecure the fault of the people you have neglected to talk about; the republican and trump nominated judges and justices who delayed an indictement from moving to trial for over a year.
Do you believe delaying an indictment from trial which came down in Aug. 2023, more than enough time to try in court until it was made moot in Nov. 2024, is some normal and proper action by the judges and justices? In what universe?
Did you miss the Supreme Court delaying their hearing for months, and delaying their decision for even more months until right before the election?
Are we supposed to ignore that treasonous interference in the election and the judges and justice's anti-constitutional immunity rulings and pretend it's actually the people prosecuting him are the ones at fault?
It's mindblowingly Orwellian.
Oopsie Daisy
(4,742 posts)The skeptical aspect of my perspective raises the question of when the proliferation of conspiracies will begin.
Stargleamer
(2,298 posts)from gab13by13:
"How Garland Treated President Biden & Trump
The National Archives contacted DOJ about classified documents found at President Biden's property.
5 days later the FBI opened an investigation.
The National Archives contacted DOJ about missing classified documents, some of them top secret, believed to be in the possession of Donald Trump.
11 months later the FBI opened up an investigation.
Think about that.
Some of the documents that Joe had were low level, such as the route the Secret Service was going to use to take Joe to his son's funeral.
Several documents that Trump stole could only be viewed in a SCIF."
Btw, I heard it was Biden's lawyers who found this archive material and notified the DOJ rather than the National Archive itself, but i am not sure on this point.
But there is more to this than just that which I might post as a reply later.
Cowpunk
(807 posts)"The money trail ended up being a dry hole; the comms angle ended up being inconclusive." It seems to me that means that because so little was done in the immediate aftermath of the riot, the main actors were able to destroy the evidence of their collusion. Change my mind.
bigtree
(90,394 posts)from December 2022:
...so the financial investigation began in earnest in late 2021. Garland took his oath in March of that year.
He not only handled the Capitol riot prosecutions which resulted in over 1200 convictions, but ran the Trump probe at the same time. He was already getting cooperation from the riot leaders before he formally turned to the WH, and none of that happens on the spur of the moment.
We need to be real about the challenges for an incoming AG, and stop assuming he cared any less about these crimes than any of us. Almost ALL of the evidence he used in the indictments came from his boss's team, and his DOJ defended all of it in myriad, successive courts to make it available to use in grand juries and in courts.
Smith reportedly came onboard a 'fast moving investigation' and inherited over 20 Garland prosecutors who had already gathered more evidence than Mueller had when he took charge of his own investigation.
receipts:
From Mike Pence to fake electors, heres who has testified to the January 6 grand jury or met with prosecutors
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/11/politics/grand-jury-testimony-list-january-6-trump/index.html
JohnSJ
(96,950 posts)qazplm135
(7,572 posts)Almost two years after Biden was President. So citing that as an example is what exactly?
It took Smith LESS than a year to get two indictments from appointment to indictments so clearly he didn't need everything in place to get there.
If Smith had started in Feb 21, he'd have had indictments by end of the year. Worst case early 22. The idea that it was impossible to get to trial two years later is laughable.
republianmushroom
(18,451 posts)DOJ's 'fantastic' red carpet: The Trump case vs. the Reality Winner case - All In - MSNBC
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017836953
A.G. Merrick Garland Resisted Investigating Trumps Connection to January 6: Washington Post
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/06/garland-doj-resisted-investigating-trump-january-6
FBI resisted opening probe into Trumps role in Jan. 6 for more than a year
In the DOJs investigation of Jan. 6, key Justice officials also quashed an early plan for a task force focused on people in Trumps orbit
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2023/06/19/fbi-resisted-opening-probe-into-trumps-role-jan-6-more-than-year/
Why Did the DOJ Resist Investigating Donald Trumps Role in January 6?
Why Did the DOJ Resist Investigating Donald Trumps Role in January 6?
The lost year: How Merrick Garlands Justice Department ran out of time prosecuting Trump for January 6
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-lost-year-how-merrick-garland-s-justice-department-ran-out-of-time-prosecuting-trump-for-january-6/ar-AA1x2a82
AG Garland reiterates 'no person' -- not even Trump -- is above the law over Jan. 6
https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/news/story/ag-garland-reiterates-person-trump-law-jan-87140695
The Jan. 6 committee gift-wrapped Trump for Merrick Garland. Is it enough?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/03/05/merrick-garland-prosecute-trump-select-committee/
bigtree
(90,394 posts)...the rest of the critics have done nothing but draft off what was described as some internal dispute that had nothing to do with the actual delay described in the Smith report, with judges and justices delaying the trial over a year after the indictments came down, most notably, the Supreme Court which deliberately held it up for months until right before the election before making a decision that caused the SC to revise the indictment.
They had no actual way yo know anything of substance about the investigation when it was ongoing. Neither Garland or Smith leaked anything, so they just made it up, leaving all sorts of things out; distorting others like some internal FBI dispute which changed nothing and affected nothing; and spreading this lie that the AG was inactive for a year (which I saw from a poster today, was actually 2 years).
It's been a flurry of uninformed and misinforming lies from people who had no access at all to the actual investigation, but talked like they were part of the team. No wonder so much of what they claimed is disputed by clear facts.
We all saw the SC bring an indictment with more than enough time to try Trump, but some are insisting on giving cover to the judges and justices who deliberately held the trial up until we voted as if Trumpers on the bench had any intention of letting this go to trial before the election.
Are folks really so naive as to believe the court system received these indictments with open arms? Did they just ignore the constant appeals with hearing dates set exclusively by judges and justices set far into the future, not to mention their eventual rulings?
You're using the result of their deliberate interference as a foil against the people actually working to get this thing to trial, having brought charges over a year earlier. Why are you blaming DOJ for the shithole court system?
Garland began investigating the Trump WH in 2021, extensively, including a year-long investigation into their finances.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/28/us/politics/trump-investigation-thomas-windom.html
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/11/politics/jack-smith-special-counsel-high-profile-moves-trump-criminal-investigations/index.html
....all of these perps challenged their subpoenas to appear and testify before the grand jury, and some key witnesses weren't available to the DOJ until at least 2023 when they were able to dispatch the appeals before panels of judges.
From Mike Pence to fake electors, heres who has testified to the January 6 grand jury or met with prosecutors
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/11/politics/grand-jury-testimony-list-january-6-trump/index.html
thebigidea
(13,413 posts)bigtree
(90,394 posts)...just that simple.
republianmushroom
(18,451 posts)bigtree
(90,394 posts)...and we know that the 'political' consideration here was his boss running against the person he was investigating, very likely as nominee in the upcoming election.
That's not an unusual consideration, and Jack Smith has an entire section in his report explaining the challenges and considerations they made in that regard which weren't anything more than acknowledging those. That's why we got an SC when Trump announced - not because it's some normal part of the proceeding.
That appointment was described as inheriting a 'fast-moving investigation' with over 20 Garland prosecutors moving to work under Smith. That doesn't sound like a department that was flat-footed, rather it represents a DOJ that was fully engaged in investigating Trump all throughout.
That's why we have evidence in the indictment, because Garland's prosecutors collected it and defended it all in myriad appeals in successive courts packed with republicans.
Indeed, Deputy AG Lisa Monaco had directed attorney Tom Windom to begin formally investigating the Trump WH in the Fall of 2021; especially their finances related to the perps who rioted at the Capitol, looking for ties between them and the Trump administration.
Who the fuck objects to that? I'd like one of the critics to explain to me how that's not investigating the Trump WH. More than that, Garland investigators seized phone and other communications at the same time from perps involved in the fake elector scheme.
You'd have to just close your eyes and imagine all of that away to make the nonsense about Garland waiting for something true. It just isn't, and the evidence supports me on that.
receipts:
Garland began investigating the Trump WH in 2021, extensively, including a year-long investigation into their finances.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/28/us/politics/trump-investigation-thomas-windom.html
https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/11/politics/jack-smith-special-counsel-high-profile-moves-trump-criminal-investigations/index.html
....all of these perps challenged their subpoenas to appear and testify before the grand jury, and some key witnesses weren't available to the DOJ until at least 2023 when they were able to dispatch the appeals before panels of judges.
From Mike Pence to fake electors, heres who has testified to the January 6 grand jury or met with prosecutors
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/11/politics/grand-jury-testimony-list-january-6-trump/index.html