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Stargleamer

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54. Whatever success powerful right-wing propaganda has in convincing Americans

Thu Jan 16, 2025, 03:36 PM

22 hrs ago

that Democrats are to blame for their suffering in the upcoming years, that success will undercut the force of your argument. To wit: it's not climate change or global warming that is causing California fires, but bad Democratic forestry management (even though roughly 40% of land in Calif. is on federal land). Also, it was Biden's fault for inflation not coming down, even though inflation at the time was a global phenomenon. Always a way to make things the Democrats' fault.

In essence: they will be told by Fox, Sinclair, Trump, etc., etc., "If you are suffering, t is either 1) the Democrats' fault or 2) your own fault.

Minds are being controlled/manipulated in this country, and truth is being obscured everywhere. It's 1984 40 years later, and in a capitalist country.

Plutocratic power is dominating everything.

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America needs to suffer [View all] edhopper Yesterday OP

Yes it has to be a steep learning curve for lessons to be learned. Irish_Dem Yesterday #1

Yes bdamomma Yesterday #5

Yes we lived in a sort of golden age and didn't know it or appreciate it. Irish_Dem 23 hrs ago #13

Nothing is ever enough for the greedy billionaire elites meow2u3 22 hrs ago #67

They won't stop until they have every last cent. Blue Full Moon 21 hrs ago #77

Nothing will ever fill the holes in their souls. Irish_Dem 21 hrs ago #88

Always thought this song summed it up Blue Full Moon 20 hrs ago #92

well said Evolve Dammit 21 hrs ago #74

or a "big swift kick in the ass with reality." Evolve Dammit 21 hrs ago #73

Sad but true. Most alcoholics and addicts won't get sober until they hit bottom... johnnyplankton 22 hrs ago #48

I don't know if the MAGAs hit bottom they will learn anything. Irish_Dem 22 hrs ago #59

Then they have not reached bottom. state of stupid 22 hrs ago #68

I think the MAGAs will sit at the bottom blaming everyone else until they die. Irish_Dem 21 hrs ago #81

It's a cult. Mariana 21 hrs ago #86

I agree wholeheartedly. After 40 years of being a therapist, I am not sure I would want to hear state of stupid 19 hrs ago #94

I truly loved my job. Irish_Dem 19 hrs ago #95

What to do about the Trump cult? Irish_Dem 19 hrs ago #97

Some Nazis changed when looking down the barrel of a gun held by an American GI. Irish_Dem 21 hrs ago #83

What did they change though? Cirsium 19 hrs ago #98

Good point. Irish_Dem 19 hrs ago #100

Most walked Cirsium 19 hrs ago #104

Are you sure they changed or did they change into camouflage and go underground? state of stupid 19 hrs ago #99

Yes good point, they are back. Irish_Dem 19 hrs ago #102

there is that. Was all Clinton's fault or Obama's fault or Bidens' fault. RW smear 24/7 all over radio and "social" Evolve Dammit 21 hrs ago #76

It's all the fault of people who pee in the wrong bathroom. Irish_Dem 21 hrs ago #84

Let's Not Forget, even if it was not done well enough to prosper, and continue past a few years... electric_blue68 13 hrs ago #111

Listened all the time until they folded. Still getting Democracy Now! on a local radio station. Wish there was more. Evolve Dammit 3 hrs ago #119

Agree with you yankee87 21 hrs ago #82

And so we shall, and the rest of the world with us 0rganism Yesterday #2

Make it a double. rubbersole 22 hrs ago #43

I agree and disagree. Our lives are a time to learn and make mistakes, but do mistakes have to in2herbs Yesterday #3

"negative fashion" bdamomma Yesterday #6

Well America just exercised their free will edhopper Yesterday #8

It would be a lovely world if that were the case, but I'm skeptical. MLAA 23 hrs ago #24

half of our country is extremely selfish and has absolutely no empathy for anyone else. They couldn't care less, until Meadowoak 22 hrs ago #42

It will affect them. bdamomma 22 hrs ago #50

They think their lives will change on day one. Demobrat 21 hrs ago #78

"do mistakes have to involve pain and suffering in order to learn our lessons?" - not always, but these mistakes will 0rganism 22 hrs ago #69

I hate to agree but I do. And the worse it is, the quicker it will be over. Scrivener7 Yesterday #4

Be careful what you wish for inwiththenew Yesterday #7

We already have the fascists in power edhopper Yesterday #10

People aren't alseep Cirsium 23 hrs ago #12

Some will take it as a sign... Beck23 23 hrs ago #25

oh bdamomma 22 hrs ago #58

The thought Has crossed my mind.... electric_blue68 13 hrs ago #112

And if kkmarie 22 hrs ago #63

How to Win Friends and Influence People Prairie Gates Yesterday #9

That might not work Cirsium Yesterday #11

Some Germans even... Beck23 23 hrs ago #30

And this will be the way if something should happen to tRUMP, he passes away from some ailment of the stomach, SWBTATTReg 22 hrs ago #41

I watched a documentary a few years back. WinstonSmith4740 22 hrs ago #51

They knew Cirsium 19 hrs ago #96

Oh, hell yes. WinstonSmith4740 19 hrs ago #101

I heard this same argument on Election Night 2016 from a Millenial. maxsolomon 23 hrs ago #14

Yep. red don killed hundreds of thousands not fooled 23 hrs ago #21

I would ammend that and say "truth has no counter" jgmiller 22 hrs ago #60

I don't think the suffering will teach anybody anything, all we can hope and work for is a pendulum swing thebigidea 23 hrs ago #15

Propaganda Johnny2X2X 23 hrs ago #16

when you have to decide between rent and medicine Skittles 21 hrs ago #79

"Paychecks" Johnny2X2X 21 hrs ago #89

for DECADES I said, not since BIDEN Skittles 21 hrs ago #90

Fair enough Johnny2X2X 4 hrs ago #114

When life gets harder for them and they are suffering they'll still listen to right wing media who will tell them it's kimbutgar 23 hrs ago #17

Blaming someone else is always easier than thinking . . . hatrack 4 hrs ago #115

I don't think people will wake the fuck up, they will find more different bogeymen RockRaven 23 hrs ago #18

I tend to agree Redleg 15 hrs ago #110

WTFU jeffreyi 23 hrs ago #19

It was mentioned in another post, the descendants of the confederacy are back dlk 23 hrs ago #20

Suffering will only make MAGATs crazier, more volent Bobstandard 23 hrs ago #22

I posted something similar a few weeks ago Takket 23 hrs ago #23

Hard For Them To Wake Up Mr.Bee 23 hrs ago #26

I'm afraid you are right Americanme 23 hrs ago #27

Read "Dying of Whiteness" AverageOldGuy 23 hrs ago #28

That's not necessarily true. I know MAGATS who are snowflake whimps holding onto blind faith that Papa Trump will Martin68 23 hrs ago #37

EXACTLY Blue_Tires 22 hrs ago #38

You first.. whathehell 23 hrs ago #29

There's no "you first." It's going to be all of us. But it is inevitable. Scrivener7 21 hrs ago #72

Yea, actually there is.. whathehell 20 hrs ago #93

You misunderstand. My comment has nothing to do with collective guilt or atoning. This has to do with the Scrivener7 18 hrs ago #105

Yes, I'm beginning to think Americans need to suffer before they come to their senses and reject MAGA. Martin68 23 hrs ago #31

The dumbing down of America has suceeded! 3825-87867 23 hrs ago #32

And when they complain simply say "I didn't vote for him so don't b***h to me" appleannie1 23 hrs ago #33

Trump will simply double down and blame it all on Blue_Tires 23 hrs ago #34

People in prison suffer. milestogo 23 hrs ago #35

The MAGAs will just blame it all on Biden. fierywoman 23 hrs ago #36

The Deplorable voter wants what he/she are TOLD to want - no amount of suffering is going to change a thing. NoMoreRepugs 22 hrs ago #39

Sorry, not sorry. WinstonSmith4740 22 hrs ago #40

It will have to affect them personally Macrophylla 22 hrs ago #44

let it all go down. all go down and then they will whine and pine on how good they had it. my late mom AllaN01Bear 22 hrs ago #45

Trump 2.0 could be worse bmichaelh 22 hrs ago #46

Agree! Facts and reason aren't working because.... perdita9 22 hrs ago #47

Climate change will make sure we will suffer Kaleva 22 hrs ago #49

You're not alone in your thoughts. egduj 22 hrs ago #52

Ralph Nader mentioned that way back when. I know GPV 22 hrs ago #53

Whatever success powerful right-wing propaganda has in convincing Americans Stargleamer 22 hrs ago #54

Only certain minds Keepthesoulalive 21 hrs ago #85

Much of America already does. WhiskeyGrinder 22 hrs ago #55

Glad to see somebody's wish is bound to come true. (nt) Paladin 22 hrs ago #56

I agree but lapfog_1 22 hrs ago #57

Agree...but, those of us who understand what's coming can take steps now to mitigate the pain and suffering PortTack 22 hrs ago #61

Some will wake up TexasBushwhacker 22 hrs ago #62

The Republican campaign against being "woke" is their way of masking their intent and actions. patphil 22 hrs ago #64

Indeed! 100% cer7711 22 hrs ago #65

Anything bad they blame on Democrats NameAlreadyTaken 22 hrs ago #66

Rec Evolve Dammit 21 hrs ago #70

Not sure America will connect the right dots. CountMyVote4Reality 21 hrs ago #71

Agreed. hadEnuf 21 hrs ago #75

I agree OP ThePartyThatListens 21 hrs ago #80

This sounds like it comes from a position of privilege erodriguez 21 hrs ago #87

Or somebody edhopper 17 hrs ago #109

In Jesus' name though. So... czarjak 20 hrs ago #91

We will, whether we need to or not. Ocelot II 19 hrs ago #103

What people fail to grasp is any suffering that happens will be blamed on the Democrats, and unfortunately under fascist JohnSJ 18 hrs ago #106

That is correct. Sadly the most vulnerable people will suffer more than the rest. Oopsie Daisy 18 hrs ago #107

One way or another, tens of millions of voters need to learn the lesson that Martin Eden 18 hrs ago #108

Well... "Needs to"? [sorry, Earl G]...Screw U, OP... if that draws your ire...fine. electric_blue68 13 hrs ago #113

America has suffered enough. Kid Berwyn 4 hrs ago #117

My second sentence; edhopper 4 hrs ago #118

Sadly i agree. Once the MAGA fools satisfy some of their hate lust against travelingthrulife 4 hrs ago #116