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34. it's stating the facts of the investigation
Wed Jan 15, 2025, 03:00 PM
Jan 2025

...refuting the bullshit that Garland wasn't investigating and pointing out the appeals process that often took years because of the way judges set the dates of hearings months into the future, and that there were myriad appeals that had to be fought in successive courts, sometimes up to the compromised Supreme Court before much of the key evidence gathered as early as 2021 would be available to present to the grand juries who make the recommendations to charge people for the federal government.

There was not 'almost two years wasted.' That's a provable lie for anyone who reads this report.

It's been a provable lie for years for anyone who bothers to read what's been reported about the investigation and prosecutions.

The most common misinformation has been that Garland waited unnecessarily to charge Trump. but the AG doesn't just bring indictments forward on some will and whim of his, DOJ uses grand juries to recommend charges in federal investigations.

As you can read in the Smith report, not only was evidence key to getting a grand jury to indict held up for sometimes years, testimony from key Trump officials was also held up in several courts proceedings with challenges to claims of executive privilege and attorney client protections which sometimes took as much as a year to resolve.

And the hearings which dates were set exclusively by often republican and Trump nominated judges and justices didn't all occur concurrently, but were dragged out for years before all of the evidence and witnesses were available for Jack Smith to present those to a grand jury.

No one has shown any evidence that the material Merrick Garland's prosecutors had gathered as early as 2021 was available to present to grand juries in the time you describe. To the contrary, this report clearly outlines those challenges and makes clear that the AG wasn't just diligent, but was successful in getting all of the evidence and witnesses through the myriad appeals through successive courts packed with republicans and Trumpers.

After all, it was Garland's prosecutors, DOJ career prosecutors, who argued all of the appeals cases, even after Jack Smith's appointment. Moreover, jack Smith inherited what was described as a 'fast moving investigation' which had already gathered more evidence than Mueller had when he started his own probe.

my receipts:


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/28/us/politics/trump-investigation-thomas-windom.html


https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/11/politics/jack-smith-special-counsel-high-profile-moves-trump-criminal-investigations/index.html



From Mike Pence to ‘fake’ electors, here’s who has testified to the January 6 grand jury or met with prosecutors
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/11/politics/grand-jury-testimony-list-january-6-trump/index.html

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Interesting mr715 Jan 2025 #1
Yeah, it's a shame garland waited until he got the J6 committee stuff. Think. Again. Jan 2025 #2
I don't know. While I appreciate Smith's defense of Garland, I still despise the way he handled the whole thing, after SWBTATTReg Jan 2025 #3
I didn't see it as "defending" garland.... Think. Again. Jan 2025 #4
Well, good. I don't think Garland deserves any defending, and IMHO, he's going to be defending his calls for years and SWBTATTReg Jan 2025 #6
Yeah, I guess he thought he was more clever than... Think. Again. Jan 2025 #7
He should have realized, DENVERPOPS Jan 2025 #16
the 'small fry' bigtree Jan 2025 #8
Here we go again. William769 Jan 2025 #30
if he had chosen Timewas Jan 2025 #5
you must have forgotten that the maga majority on the SC is at the end of any series of certain appeals bigtree Jan 2025 #10
He did nothing Timewas Jan 2025 #12
revisionism bigtree Jan 2025 #13
Walk us through exactly how a trial could have been "forced" to happen before the election Fiendish Thingy Jan 2025 #19
As if he "should have chosen," huh? ancianita Jan 2025 #22
Smith joins Mueller, Fitzgerald, Hur, etc. Silent Type Jan 2025 #9
all different prosecutions bigtree Jan 2025 #11
K&R Joinfortmill Jan 2025 #14
I think what it shows is the weakness in our justice system, that the processes can be dragged out ad nauseum. What is Evolve Dammit Jan 2025 #15
A LOT of cases in our justice system take years if defendants can afford counsel that ancianita Jan 2025 #23
Best justice for those who can afford it. I guess that is a huge point. Evolve Dammit Jan 2025 #25
So...? What do you think? ancianita Jan 2025 #28
I will continue to complain about cases that should have been brought that didn't happen. Especially when the stakes Evolve Dammit Jan 2025 #36
How's that working out for you so far? ancianita Jan 2025 #41
TY for this -- I so appreciate fact-based commentary Hekate Jan 2025 #17
Don't care. Iggo Jan 2025 #18
Smith can cover for Garland all he wants, and I haven't read the article at the link ... aggiesal Jan 2025 #20
it's stating the facts of the investigation bigtree Jan 2025 #34
That's a long response ... aggiesal Jan 2025 #37
that's proven false by what I posted, and what's in the report bigtree Jan 2025 #39
Of course he would. Jack Smith is a prosecutor who tells the truth. ancianita Jan 2025 #21
I have eyes edhopper Jan 2025 #24
lol bigtree Jan 2025 #31
Why would other articles edhopper Jan 2025 #35
this is a discussion board, not a news site. bigtree Jan 2025 #38
You see your democracy almost destroyed and don't go after the ones in charge for the longest time? GreenWave Jan 2025 #26
Garland's DOJ began investigating the Trump WH in 2021 bigtree Jan 2025 #40
My thoughts, looking back. bluestarone Jan 2025 #27
Thank you sir! William769 Jan 2025 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Jan 2025 #33
LMAO BannonsLiver Jan 2025 #32
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