Why Smart People Don't See What's Wrong With Trump - Sam Harris and The Bulwark [View all]

Sam Harris speaks with Sarah Longwell and Tim Miller about Trump and the future of American politics. They discuss the origins of The Bulwark, the bewildering psychology of Trump’s base, the new era of authenticity, memory-holing January 6th, how media broke politics, why Kamala Harris should never run again, the difference between America First and MAGA, potential 2028 Democratic candidates, and other topics.

Sarah Longwell is the publisher of The Bulwark, which she helped found in 2019, and hosts the podcast “The Focus Group,” which is in its sixth season. She is a recognized expert in qualitative research, having hosted hundreds of focus groups and talked to thousands of voters from across the country and the political spectrum. In addition to The Bulwark, Sarah’s work has been featured on PBS NewsHour, CNN, MSNBC, and elsewhere.

Tim Miller is the host of The Bulwark Podcast and an MSNBC political analyst. He is the author of Why We Did It: A Travelogue from the Republican Road to Hell. Tim has worked on campaigns for John McCain, Mitt Romney, and Jeb Bush.