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Fortinbras Armstrong

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37. You are making a claim, "God does not exist"

Mon Oct 20, 2014, 09:21 AM

Oct 2014

You can pretend that saying "there is no God" is not a positive claim. In fact, it is just as much a positive claim as saying "there is a God". Atheists try to weasel out of having to provide evidence for their claim that God does not exist, while insisting that believers must support their claim that God does exist.

When I say "I don't believe your god exists", that doesn't move the burden to me. Any more than it moves the burden to you, to say 'I believe in Jesus, not Odin.'. Or substitute any one of tens of thousands of natural, personal, polytheistic, etc, god(s).

Except that "I believe in Jesus, not Odin" is most certainly a positive claim. No, you are simply trying to dodge the fact that your "there is no God" does put a burden of proof on you. The only stance that does not would be an agnostic one.

As I CORRECTLY said, both "there is a God" and "there is not a God" are positive claims, and both require faith on the part of the person making the claim, and both require some sort of evidence if one is making either claim.

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Why I'd Still Believe In God Even if the Bible Was a Fairytale [View all] hrmjustin Oct 2014 OP

Who created God? GeorgeGist Oct 2014 #1

We do not know. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #2

Who said God needed to be created? rug Oct 2014 #5

That is a good point. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #6

These comments all boil down to trying to empty a glass of air with a spoon. rug Oct 2014 #7

lol i suppose so. i thought the article was interesting. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #8

Yes it is. rug Oct 2014 #9

It is a question for the ages. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #10

In the meantime, they're using a measuring rod to measure what can't be measured. rug Oct 2014 #11

Well some people are just as certain there is no God as those who say there is. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #12

I think one could take a reasonable stab via probability. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #33

Or the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2014 #28

! rug Oct 2014 #30

I understand the jibe but... AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #34

Funny you mention that. rug Oct 2014 #35

The claim makes logical sense to me. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #36

There a lot of them. rug Oct 2014 #38

Atheism/agnosticism dangin Oct 2014 #3

It is all a hope that there is something more after this life. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #4

Faith dangin Oct 2014 #13

As host of this room I ask you to self-delete your comment and reread the sop of this room. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #14

Remaining civil dangin Oct 2014 #15

Here is the sop. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #16

self delete beam me up scottie Oct 2014 #17

I'm never here dangin Oct 2014 #18

I am not saying you have to leave. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #19

self delete beam me up scottie Oct 2014 #20

I apologize dangin Oct 2014 #21

No worries and no great offense. hrmjustin Oct 2014 #22

self delete beam me up scottie Oct 2014 #23

Saying that the DSM calls faith a delusion Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2014 #29

Thanks, that's the better way to handle this. rug Oct 2014 #24

self delete beam me up scottie Oct 2014 #25

Strongly disagree with the premise of this article. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #26

The bit you quote Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2014 #31

That would be a positive claim. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #32

You are making a claim, "God does not exist" Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2014 #37

You completely misunderstood everything I just said, and reversed the meaning. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #39

Here. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #40

So you admit that YOU do make the positive claim Fortinbras Armstrong Oct 2014 #41

Some do. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #42

Also from the article edgineered Oct 2014 #27