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okasha

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21. You've covered a lot of ground here.
Sun Apr 20, 2014, 11:47 PM
Apr 2014

Let me see if I can kinda sorta organize a reply here. In no particular order:

Isa and Maryam are identical to Jesus and Mary. The Quran includes a chapter entirely dedicated to Maryam, in which Isa is conceived miraculously by the spirit of Allah and Maryam's virginity is not compromised. Christians and Muslims would both be included in your first definition.

No, I don't identity as a Christian. I identify as a Native American Traditional. That said, I subscribe to a panentheist theology that fits very well with Process Theology, which works effectively within Christianity, Judaism, Islam and many other faiths. My theology overlaps theirs, but my practice largely does not.

The difficulty I see with accepting self-identification alone as sufficient grounds for
establishing Christianity is that Jesus himself did not appear to accept.it.. "Not everyone who says to me 'Lord, Lord' will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but those who do the will of my Father in Heaven." (Matt. 7:22ff) The epistle of James, Jesus's brother, also stresses action over belief or self-identification.

I'm not so sure Jesus would not accept an atheist as a follower. He accepted Samaritans, a gay Roman centurion and his partner, a (presumably reformed) terrorist who may have been his younger brother, a tax collector who collaborated with the Romans, a pagan Canaanite woman, and a good many other unconventional folk. Forgive me, but an atheist is pretty tame compared to some of those.

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I guess you *can* be, but then you would be a Christian that follows Common Sense Party Apr 2014 #1
I agree. I think many Christians have a problem with the resurrection. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #2
Not without adding an adjective. rug Apr 2014 #3
it is a core teaching that I believe in. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #4
I would have included the next verse Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2014 #9
Can you eat pork and still be a Christian? Downwinder Apr 2014 #5
Yes. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #6
That is inapposite. Refraining from pork is not a core Christian teaching. rug Apr 2014 #7
Marcus Borg argues quite convincingly TM99 Apr 2014 #8
I read his blog, Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2014 #10
I am not Christian, so I can only speak to what I have TM99 Apr 2014 #12
Father Bruce Chilton okasha Apr 2014 #20
Yes, there are quite a liberal TM99 Apr 2014 #22
Chilton argues quite convincingly okasha Apr 2014 #23
In a philosophical sense yes, certainly. el_bryanto Apr 2014 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author LostOne4Ever Apr 2014 #13
How do you define okasha Apr 2014 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author LostOne4Ever Apr 2014 #15
I see some problems okasha Apr 2014 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author LostOne4Ever Apr 2014 #18
You've covered a lot of ground here. okasha Apr 2014 #21
Definitely you can "question" it goldent Apr 2014 #16
Paul said it best if there was no resurection then our faith is a lie . Leontius Apr 2014 #19
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