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History of Feminism
In reply to the discussion: Have an issue with rape? [View all]From what I understand, the SMBD community in general considers the book tripe, and misleading. The movie may cause people to try acts they are not trained or qualified to do. So done in GD just started a reasonable thread, basically saying 'consult an expert'. People can and do get hurt.
Then there is consent, a huge part of the relationship
The book, again from my understanding does NOT represent a SMBD relationship
Since the foundation of any form of organised BDSM
(Bondage and discipline, dominance and submission, and
sadomasochism) communities, consent has occupied a
place of central importance. This is reflected in the popular
mantra that BDSM play should be 'safe, sane and
consensual', and the more recent revised phrase 'risk
aware consensual kink', which critically interrogates the
possibility of both entirely safe behaviours and completely
sane subjectivities, but retains the notion that consent can be clearly and simply negotiated when it comes to BDSM play. This paper compares understandings and discussions of consent within the vastly popular 50 Shades erotic novels to the current wave of writings on the topic in the BDSM blogosphere.
The 50 Shades series has arguably brought BDSM to a far larger audience, and to far greater popular attention, than any previous media product. The books include references to BDSM contracts, safe-words, and checklists of activities, for example, and several conversations between the lead characters centre around sexual consent. However, communication about what Ana (the heroine of the novels) desires sexually is poor, and Christian Grey (the hero) frequently violates their arrangements in the relationship more broadly, for example by controlling Ana's working life, eating habits, finances, and social time when she has explicitly asked him not to do so. The issue of consent is a tension between the main characters throughout the series.
(Bondage and discipline, dominance and submission, and
sadomasochism) communities, consent has occupied a
place of central importance. This is reflected in the popular
mantra that BDSM play should be 'safe, sane and
consensual', and the more recent revised phrase 'risk
aware consensual kink', which critically interrogates the
possibility of both entirely safe behaviours and completely
sane subjectivities, but retains the notion that consent can be clearly and simply negotiated when it comes to BDSM play. This paper compares understandings and discussions of consent within the vastly popular 50 Shades erotic novels to the current wave of writings on the topic in the BDSM blogosphere.
The 50 Shades series has arguably brought BDSM to a far larger audience, and to far greater popular attention, than any previous media product. The books include references to BDSM contracts, safe-words, and checklists of activities, for example, and several conversations between the lead characters centre around sexual consent. However, communication about what Ana (the heroine of the novels) desires sexually is poor, and Christian Grey (the hero) frequently violates their arrangements in the relationship more broadly, for example by controlling Ana's working life, eating habits, finances, and social time when she has explicitly asked him not to do so. The issue of consent is a tension between the main characters throughout the series.
http://www.bps.org.uk/system/files/documents/barker_meg_pc_0.pdf
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I think that is where the hatred of sea comes from. She doesn't hold back her opinion, and
Squinch
Jul 2014
#5
very astute observation of what is happening on this board in regards to seabeyond.
Tuesday Afternoon
Jul 2014
#27
I think there is a connection to the fact that this is a critique of an entertainment media
el_bryanto
Jul 2014
#6
I don't agree with those who say that this is a frivolous discussion, even if the subject book is
Squinch
Jul 2014
#7
I think I've identified a major area of contention. Obviously I haven't read all the posts
Flatulo
Jul 2014
#23
I would actually disagree with you. I don't see much criticising of BDSM. What I am seeing on that
Squinch
Jul 2014
#31
I've seen the claims of consent vigorously debated. Again, I haven't read the book, so I
Flatulo
Jul 2014
#35
I have no interest in sex that hurts or humiliates either, but I understand that there are many
Squinch
Jul 2014
#37
Yep. The sacred right to fresher and nastier wank material supersedes all.
Sheldon Cooper
Jul 2014
#36
I have seen your point about Rush Limbaugh etc pointed out in some of these threads. No one
Squinch
Jul 2014
#33
And those making the "you can't critique if you don't read it" comment haven't read it either.
Squinch
Jul 2014
#34
What a lot of people don't seem to understand is that these are Libertarian arguments....
YoungDemCA
Jul 2014
#17
"reactionary right-wing bullshit masquerading as enlightened independent thinking"
nomorenomore08
Jul 2014
#38
Deriding the books as "shitty" is an excuse to not assign any importance to them.
kickitup
Jul 2014
#42
I see this "criticism = censorship" bullshit and I can't believe people are that simpleminded.
nomorenomore08
Jul 2014
#39