History of Feminism

Flatulo

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23. I think I've identified a major area of contention. Obviously I haven't read all the posts

Mon Jul 28, 2014, 05:50 PM

Jul 2014

about '50' in the last few days, but for the ones I have, the sticking point seems to be around whether the BDSM is consensual or not (I haven't read it, but I've seen both claims being made). The 'defenders' of the book/movie point out that the if the sex is consensual, anything goes (although I have to wonder how people would feel if one person had consented to have their partner hack them to bits with an axe or slowly strangle them) while the 'critics' of the BDSM seem to be saying that consensus isn't the issue - we should be examining why it is that some people find hurting another person, usually a woman, to be titillating.

It's also a little interesting that the people who are pleading to end the 'censorship' are themselves engaging in a bit of censorship. No one can ban the book or movie, so those are completely moot points.

Does this sound about right?

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Have an issue with rape? [View all] BainsBane Jul 2014 OP

I think there's a cutoff point... Scootaloo Jul 2014 #1

Ultimately it doesn't matter BainsBane Jul 2014 #2

The interesting thing to me is that if you look at most of those threads, Squinch Jul 2014 #3

Makes sense BainsBane Jul 2014 #4

I think that is where the hatred of sea comes from. She doesn't hold back her opinion, and Squinch Jul 2014 #5

very astute observation of what is happening on this board in regards to seabeyond. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #27

Thanks for the compliment! Squinch Jul 2014 #32

Sad thing is, I'll bet her teenaged sons are more mature and self-aware nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #40

No question about that. Squinch Jul 2014 #41

I think there is a connection to the fact that this is a critique of an entertainment media el_bryanto Jul 2014 #6

I don't agree with those who say that this is a frivolous discussion, even if the subject book is Squinch Jul 2014 #7

I think I've identified a major area of contention. Obviously I haven't read all the posts Flatulo Jul 2014 #23

Yeah ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #25

I would actually disagree with you. I don't see much criticising of BDSM. What I am seeing on that Squinch Jul 2014 #31

I've seen the claims of consent vigorously debated. Again, I haven't read the book, so I Flatulo Jul 2014 #35

I have no interest in sex that hurts or humiliates either, but I understand that there are many Squinch Jul 2014 #37

We have reached a point, at least on DU that is, where ... dawg Jul 2014 #8

Yep. The sacred right to fresher and nastier wank material supersedes all. Sheldon Cooper Jul 2014 #36

Every one of those threads gets derailed. ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #9

Trashing those threads is like playing whak-a-mole. MadrasT Jul 2014 #10

It is. ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #11

Sometimes I deliberately don't use keyword trash... MadrasT Jul 2014 #12

LOL ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #13

That book has now taking on Biblical proportions BainsBane Jul 2014 #15

+1, says Seabeyond BainsBane Jul 2014 #18

Well in that case ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #21

I have seen your point about Rush Limbaugh etc pointed out in some of these threads. No one Squinch Jul 2014 #33

No kidding. nt laundry_queen Jul 2014 #28

And those making the "you can't critique if you don't read it" comment haven't read it either. Squinch Jul 2014 #34

I was trying to stay out of them... Phentex Jul 2014 #14

Because of five hides? BainsBane Jul 2014 #16

PPRd Phentex Jul 2014 #20

What a lot of people don't seem to understand is that these are Libertarian arguments.... YoungDemCA Jul 2014 #17

Oh yes ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #19

Liberal and libertine are synonymous as far as they are concerned. BainsBane Jul 2014 #22

"reactionary right-wing bullshit masquerading as enlightened independent thinking" nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #38

Deriding the books as "shitty" is an excuse to not assign any importance to them. kickitup Jul 2014 #42

I was just told I want to censor a book Z_I_Peevey Jul 2014 #24

They can't deal with actual arguments BainsBane Jul 2014 #26

I see this "criticism = censorship" bullshit and I can't believe people are that simpleminded. nomorenomore08 Jul 2014 #39

That was some post, wasn't it. historylovr Jul 2014 #29

It took all the restraint I had BainsBane Jul 2014 #30