Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
29. They ARE all transgender…
Thu Apr 10, 2014, 01:13 PM
Apr 2014

You might want to investigate the definition of "transgender."

That was the point of the photo essay on butch women that you linked to; tombois, diesel dykes, drag kings, he-shes, etc. All labels for masculine women whose gender identity and outward expression doesn't match the genetic sex they were assigned at birth; nor does it match society's opinion of what they should look like, based on traditional binary gender roles and stereotypes.


"an homage to the bull-daggers and female husbands before me, and to the young studs, gender queers and bois who continue to bloom into the present."

http://www.policymic.com/articles/86527/9-portraits-of-butch-women-proving-masculinity-is-a-trait-not-a-gender

I suggested that a few of them might actually be in the process of transitioning, which is pretty common in the butch lesbian community.


"I would even go so far as to guess that a few of them are in the process of transitioning, hormonally and/or surgically"

I based my opinion on the women who have obviously got their breasts bound and at least one who is likely taking steroids. Another looks like she may have had a breast reduction. This is all clearly conjecture, based on personal experience, since the information provided is inadequate to confirm or deny my suggestion.

Nowhere did I say that all of these women are in the process of transitioning through surgical or hormonal means.

You seem to be saying that you're comfortable with butch women as long as they're not taking hormones or considering sexual reassignment surgery. That's a pretty tall order and not really fair to these women that you say you admire. Their inner identity struggles are outside your purview.

The diversity of butch women is vast and covers a broad spectrum. This photo project is an attempt to make masculine women a little less scary to straight people while reaffirming their right to exist within the gay community. Maybe they'll stop feeling the need to alter their bodies when society, as a whole, can begin to accept them for who they are. Sadly, that day is a long way off.

TYY






Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Gorgeous! Well executed portriats of Beautiful Butch Women. Thanks, redqueen! Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #1
I took a class and one of the students was a butch kimbutgar Apr 2014 #2
... TeeYiYi Apr 2014 #3
redqueen… TeeYiYi Apr 2014 #4
it was posted in here before. seabeyond Apr 2014 #5
Thanks sea... redqueen Apr 2014 #7
i think this post is about some men trying to start more shit in gd. and ya... i hear ya. nt seabeyond Apr 2014 #8
Thank you, seabeyond... TeeYiYi Apr 2014 #14
yiyi.... seabeyond Apr 2014 #15
sea... TeeYiYi Apr 2014 #16
thanks for the info... loves my clarifications so i understand. nt seabeyond Apr 2014 #17
Abandoned? WTF? It's not a person. redqueen Apr 2014 #6
What is your interest… TeeYiYi Apr 2014 #9
What a steaming load. redqueen Apr 2014 #10
Wow… TeeYiYi Apr 2014 #12
It has to do with gendered expectations. ismnotwasm Apr 2014 #11
Thank you for your response... TeeYiYi Apr 2014 #13
As a genderqueer person, I find your "Sunday LOLcats" remark offensive. MadrasT Apr 2014 #18
Well, MadrasT… TeeYiYi Apr 2014 #19
Why are you here? ismnotwasm Apr 2014 #20
Dear TeeYiYi MadrasT Apr 2014 #21
"in various stages of transgender transition"? redqueen Apr 2014 #22
THANK YOU MY SISTER REDQUEEN MadrasT Apr 2014 #23
I'm glad you called out that "Sunday LOLcats" shit. redqueen Apr 2014 #24
ok. my story, cause i love stories and i do not think i am steppin on any toes. seabeyond Apr 2014 #25
They ARE all transgender… TeeYiYi Apr 2014 #29
Yeah, no. You don't get to slap whatever label you like on someone else. redqueen Apr 2014 #30
Did you even bother... TeeYiYi Apr 2014 #31
Oh I'm already quite familiar with it. redqueen Apr 2014 #33
... TeeYiYi Apr 2014 #35
Cause we can just assume it wasn't a mastectomy. redqueen Apr 2014 #36
There's a HUGE difference... TeeYiYi Apr 2014 #37
But doesn't the term Butch itself Shivering Jemmy Apr 2014 #26
i do not know. but, i think lesbian does today. and i was told in no uncertain terms why lesbian seabeyond Apr 2014 #27
Not IMO - and certainly not as definitively as words like "dominant". nt redqueen Apr 2014 #32
"certainly not as definitively as words like "dominant"." seabeyond Apr 2014 #34
You are probably right Shivering Jemmy Apr 2014 #38
My daughter and her wife's wedding picture HockeyMom Apr 2014 #28
Latest Discussions»Alliance Forums»History of Feminism»9 Portraits of Butch Wome...»Reply #29