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TeeYiYi

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19. Well, MadrasT…
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 11:52 AM
Apr 2014

…as someone who also identifies as genderqueer, I find myself fascinated that you would openly defend this charade by redqueen. The very headline challenges the concept of transgender by calling it a trait. Redqueen even goes so far as to refer to gender issues as "bullcrap" on iverglas' blog:

Posted by reallyquiet on June 5, 2012, 10:50 am, in reply to "Re: An aside:"
Not even in the same universe.

Shouldn't we dismantle patriarchy and eliminate the 'gender' bullcrap first, and *then* address the issues resulting from whatever it is that makes people think they were born with the wrong sex organs?

http://members.boardhost.com/duckies/msg/1338907811.html

So, really, could redqueen's disdain for transgender issues be any more transparent? But let's get back to you, MadrasT.

You refer to these butch women as members of your tribe and yet I'm willing to bet money that every single one of them is sexually attracted to women; something that makes them a little less 'your tribe' since you sleep with men.

I would even go so far as to guess that a few of them are in the process of transitioning, hormonally and/or surgically; something that you don't personally approve of, do you, MadrasT?

In fact, you believe that transgender people who opt for hormones and/or surgery have psychological problems. Something "your tribe" would probably throw you off the island for, if they heard you say it out loud.

Posted by Misstee on June 5, 2012, 10:55 am, in reply to "Re: An aside:"

"Shouldn't we dismantle patriarchy and eliminate the 'gender' bullcrap first, and *then* address the issues resulting from whatever it is that makes people think they were born with the wrong sex organs?"

Yes a thousand times yes.

This train is moving too far, too fast.

I think a huge part of "transgender" issues are psychological.

Body dysphoria is a psychological problem, not a medical problem to be "corrected" with surgery and hormones.


As inveigle has said, if people want to adopt social gender roles that they think belong to the "opposite" sex, have a party. I think it is COOL!

But when it gets to physically altering your body, I start to have big problems with it.

And then to talk about doing it to CHILDREN?

Makes me extremely uncomfortable. Extremely.

http://members.boardhost.com/duckies/msg/1338908111.html

~and~

Posted by Misstee on June 5, 2012, 2:14 pm

I have always been a vocal, active supporter of "transgender rights" because I passionately support everyone having the freedom to break free from societally imposed gender roles.

I was basically raised nongendered and always did whatever the hell I wanted to do, and it suits me fine.

So I think everyone should do whatever the hell suits them, with no regard to what sex they are.

But this business of transgender people taking hormones and undergoing surgeries to alter their bodies to fit what they think the gender in their head is... I have always felt queasy about that.

Now I have decided I am dead set against it.


I think actual females getting breast implants and labia enhancing surgeries and lip enhancements is beyond f*cking ridiculous.

So there is no way I can support people taking drugs and mutilating their bodies to fit some notion of being "the wrong sex".

I am still thinking about this. My position evolves over time.

Maybe my idea that "passionately supporting everyone having the freedom to break free from societally imposed gender roles" just means I am (gasp) an actual feminist, but never knew it???

http://members.boardhost.com/duckies/msg/1338920057.html

Kinda' makes me question your spot under the transgender umbrella. Quite frankly, I'm ready to take your umbrella away.

So, let's get back to the purpose behind posting pictures of butch women in various stages of transgender transition, in the HoF group. Why do YOU think she posted it , "Misstee?"

I agree with you, that gender "expression" is not a "fucking joke" or "a source of mindless entertainment." You're actually making my point for me.

Maybe you can help me to understand why two people who have serious issues with the very definition of transgender, would feel that it would be copacetic to post this OP; and just maybe, while you're at it, you can explain how it fits within the HoF Statement of Purpose.

Everyone knows that the popcorn smilie means you're waiting to see how a thread is going to roll out, before commenting. In fact, I waited almost 6 hours for clarification.

After reading some of the comments at DUckies, I think my comparison to LOLcats is a perfect fit. It was never meant as anything more than a curiosity piece.

TYY


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Gorgeous! Well executed portriats of Beautiful Butch Women. Thanks, redqueen! Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #1
I took a class and one of the students was a butch kimbutgar Apr 2014 #2
... TeeYiYi Apr 2014 #3
redqueen… TeeYiYi Apr 2014 #4
it was posted in here before. seabeyond Apr 2014 #5
Thanks sea... redqueen Apr 2014 #7
i think this post is about some men trying to start more shit in gd. and ya... i hear ya. nt seabeyond Apr 2014 #8
Thank you, seabeyond... TeeYiYi Apr 2014 #14
yiyi.... seabeyond Apr 2014 #15
sea... TeeYiYi Apr 2014 #16
thanks for the info... loves my clarifications so i understand. nt seabeyond Apr 2014 #17
Abandoned? WTF? It's not a person. redqueen Apr 2014 #6
What is your interest… TeeYiYi Apr 2014 #9
What a steaming load. redqueen Apr 2014 #10
Wow… TeeYiYi Apr 2014 #12
It has to do with gendered expectations. ismnotwasm Apr 2014 #11
Thank you for your response... TeeYiYi Apr 2014 #13
As a genderqueer person, I find your "Sunday LOLcats" remark offensive. MadrasT Apr 2014 #18
Well, MadrasT… TeeYiYi Apr 2014 #19
Why are you here? ismnotwasm Apr 2014 #20
Dear TeeYiYi MadrasT Apr 2014 #21
"in various stages of transgender transition"? redqueen Apr 2014 #22
THANK YOU MY SISTER REDQUEEN MadrasT Apr 2014 #23
I'm glad you called out that "Sunday LOLcats" shit. redqueen Apr 2014 #24
ok. my story, cause i love stories and i do not think i am steppin on any toes. seabeyond Apr 2014 #25
They ARE all transgender… TeeYiYi Apr 2014 #29
Yeah, no. You don't get to slap whatever label you like on someone else. redqueen Apr 2014 #30
Did you even bother... TeeYiYi Apr 2014 #31
Oh I'm already quite familiar with it. redqueen Apr 2014 #33
... TeeYiYi Apr 2014 #35
Cause we can just assume it wasn't a mastectomy. redqueen Apr 2014 #36
There's a HUGE difference... TeeYiYi Apr 2014 #37
But doesn't the term Butch itself Shivering Jemmy Apr 2014 #26
i do not know. but, i think lesbian does today. and i was told in no uncertain terms why lesbian seabeyond Apr 2014 #27
Not IMO - and certainly not as definitively as words like "dominant". nt redqueen Apr 2014 #32
"certainly not as definitively as words like "dominant"." seabeyond Apr 2014 #34
You are probably right Shivering Jemmy Apr 2014 #38
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