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cinnabonbon

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25. I tend you agree with you in the last point.
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 11:54 AM
Jan 2014

And it would be easy to ignore the fastball thing if the glorification of masculinity and male ideals weren't the staus quo outside of the game, too. The best paying jobs are the ones that rely on "ideally male" qualities, like being able to do well in science and math. STEM jobs. In school we were learning an awfully lot about male philosophers and their great contributions to society. We also learned that they believed women were so inferior. Most of the books we read were written by men, about men. When we read books by women, there were always someone complaining that he didn't want to, because seeing it from a woman's POV was so boring. No one ever complained that intensely about the men's books, (and some of classics were a pain to read).

And then there's all the jokes about women's interests as "frivolous". There's so many put-downs and they're so normalized that it just tires you out enough that you don't even want to fight them anymore. So in a way, constantly saying that one sex is the better one sends the message that the other one is inferior. The same thing happens with racism. If a person puts up a sign that says "whites only" and say that it's just because whites are naturally better because XYZ, then that does make everyone else feel worse about themselves. It creates a hierarchy of power.

Cooperation will forever be my choice if I can pick between competition and cooperation. I don't want to 'win', as much as I'd like to be able to reach a fair compromise. We have to be able to cooperate if we're going to be able to get our government back to doing its job FOR the people instead AGAINST the people, after all.

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Deep and ingrained but, you explained Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2014 #1
Thanks. redqueen Jan 2014 #2
You know, I think his quote definitely can work here too. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #3
Thanks redqueen Jan 2014 #5
But, what if women were... TreasonousBastard Jan 2014 #4
I'm not following you. redqueen Jan 2014 #6
I'm not sure what unrelated historical inaccuracies.. TreasonousBastard Jan 2014 #14
You find it's best to ignore them? Is that supposed to mean something? redqueen Jan 2014 #18
Yes. And it means they do the job... TreasonousBastard Jan 2014 #20
Yeah. Words mean little. That's totally doubleplus true. redqueen Jan 2014 #22
You have a lot of nerve to come into a protected group and tell us to ignore Sheldon Cooper Jan 2014 #24
Well, I do agree with you in this cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #7
But 'don't throw like a girl' and 'be a man' are both phrases denigrating to women Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #8
They imply that they should "be real men" what ever that is cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #9
You do have a point... TreasonousBastard Jan 2014 #15
I tend you agree with you in the last point. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #25
I agree that the glorification of strength and power have become obsolete. But how Squinch Jan 2014 #13
What if women are actually superior? ismnotwasm Jan 2014 #16
Superior at what? I don't... TreasonousBastard Jan 2014 #17
"For some reason buried in prehistory...we tend to celebrate males". No. redqueen Jan 2014 #19
I don't see any point in continuing to participate in this thread. TreasonousBastard Jan 2014 #21
Since you're basically insisting that language has nothing to do with oppression, redqueen Jan 2014 #23
I could link to a dozen papers and it still wouldn't do any good ismnotwasm Jan 2014 #29
Yeah, I wasn't even going to go there. redqueen Jan 2014 #31
What do you mean 'if'. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #26
Heh! ismnotwasm Jan 2014 #30
I think it's both funny and sad that you have to put a "HOF Thread" warning in the title. Sheldon Cooper Jan 2014 #10
Heh, yeah... I just didn't want to attract any anti-feminist input. redqueen Jan 2014 #11
Me too. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #12
I really don't understand why so many men are such amuse bouche Jan 2014 #27
It's just part of our culture. redqueen Jan 2014 #32
I think you are right The Traveler Jan 2014 #28
"Change the use of language, you change the underlying patterns of thought, and vice-versa." redqueen Jan 2014 #33
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