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History of Feminism

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redqueen

(115,177 posts)
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 11:00 AM Jan 2014

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, ... (WARNING: HOF THREAD) [View all]

when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!"

Do you think that Upton Sinclair's quote (which I was recently reminded of in a thread about a DEA official's desperate attempt to keep pot illegal) could also apply to privilege?

In the discussion here about bigoted, anti-woman slurs, I remarked that IMO even reclaimed forms of one very popular anti-woman slur are off-limits to men. Cinnabonbon said that people are just so used to using insults that describe anything female as worse than masculine, that they don't see it. I agree.

Then, she said this: "Seeing it would mean that they realize that they've have male privilege."

And that reminded me once again of this Sinclair quote. It made me think that similarly, It is difficult to get someone to understand something, when their unacknowledged privilege depends upon their not understanding it.

For men, to acknowledge this immense disparity in insulting language, which is so heavily skewed to coding female as somehow bad and/or inferior, would require acknowledging (and, for people who consider themselves progressive, disavowing) male privilege.

For women, it simply requires acknowledging how much the world hates you. Not you, personally, or course (for the literal-minded out there), but it makes this insidious, widespread form of misogyny -- which permeates society at every level -- just that much harder to dismiss as meaningless, inconsequential, 'little stuff', etc.

Thoughts?

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Deep and ingrained but, you explained Tuesday Afternoon Jan 2014 #1
Thanks. redqueen Jan 2014 #2
You know, I think his quote definitely can work here too. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #3
Thanks redqueen Jan 2014 #5
But, what if women were... TreasonousBastard Jan 2014 #4
I'm not following you. redqueen Jan 2014 #6
I'm not sure what unrelated historical inaccuracies.. TreasonousBastard Jan 2014 #14
You find it's best to ignore them? Is that supposed to mean something? redqueen Jan 2014 #18
Yes. And it means they do the job... TreasonousBastard Jan 2014 #20
Yeah. Words mean little. That's totally doubleplus true. redqueen Jan 2014 #22
You have a lot of nerve to come into a protected group and tell us to ignore Sheldon Cooper Jan 2014 #24
Well, I do agree with you in this cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #7
But 'don't throw like a girl' and 'be a man' are both phrases denigrating to women Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #8
They imply that they should "be real men" what ever that is cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #9
You do have a point... TreasonousBastard Jan 2014 #15
I tend you agree with you in the last point. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #25
I agree that the glorification of strength and power have become obsolete. But how Squinch Jan 2014 #13
What if women are actually superior? ismnotwasm Jan 2014 #16
Superior at what? I don't... TreasonousBastard Jan 2014 #17
"For some reason buried in prehistory...we tend to celebrate males". No. redqueen Jan 2014 #19
I don't see any point in continuing to participate in this thread. TreasonousBastard Jan 2014 #21
Since you're basically insisting that language has nothing to do with oppression, redqueen Jan 2014 #23
I could link to a dozen papers and it still wouldn't do any good ismnotwasm Jan 2014 #29
Yeah, I wasn't even going to go there. redqueen Jan 2014 #31
What do you mean 'if'. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #26
Heh! ismnotwasm Jan 2014 #30
I think it's both funny and sad that you have to put a "HOF Thread" warning in the title. Sheldon Cooper Jan 2014 #10
Heh, yeah... I just didn't want to attract any anti-feminist input. redqueen Jan 2014 #11
Me too. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #12
I really don't understand why so many men are such amuse bouche Jan 2014 #27
It's just part of our culture. redqueen Jan 2014 #32
I think you are right The Traveler Jan 2014 #28
"Change the use of language, you change the underlying patterns of thought, and vice-versa." redqueen Jan 2014 #33
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