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History of Feminism
In reply to the discussion: What's the tell that lets you know you are dealing with an MRA? [View all]seabeyond
(110,159 posts)121. The fourth wave of feminism: meet the rebel women
The women's movement may have been in hiding through the 'ladette' years, but in 2013 it has come back with a vengeance. Introducing the new feminists taking the struggle to the web and the streets
Welcome to the fourth wave of feminism. This movement follows the first-wave campaign for votes for women, which reached its height 100 years ago, the second wave women's liberation movement that blazed through the 1970s and 80s, and the third wave declared by Rebecca Walker, Alice Walker's daughter, and others, in the early 1990s. That shift from second to third wave took many important forms, but often felt broadly generational, with women defining their work as distinct from their mothers'. What's happening now feels like something new again. It's defined by technology: tools that are allowing women to build a strong, popular, reactive movement online. Just how popular is sometimes slightly startling. Girlguiding UK introduced a campaigning and activism badge this year and a summer survey of Mumsnet users found 59% consider themselves feminists, double those who don't. Bates says that, for her, modern feminism is defined by pragmatism, inclusion and humour. "I feel like it is really down-to-earth, really open," she says, "and it's very much about people saying: 'Here is something that doesn't make sense to me, I thought women were equal, I'm going to do something about it.'"
They demonstrated outside the Sun headquarters, organised by Yas Necati, 17, in a protest against Page 3, the biggest image of a woman that appears each day in the country's biggest-selling newspaper a teenager or twentysomething smiling sunnily in her pants. Necati, a student at sixth-form college, laughed shyly as she told me about the mocked-up pages she has sent Sun editor David Dinsmore, suggesting feminist comedians, artists and writers to appear on the page instead. One of her favourites showed a woman flashing bright blue armpit hair. The the No More Page 3 petition started by Lucy-Anne Holmes, 37, in August 2012,, has been signed by 128,000 people.
Ikamara Larasi, 24, started heading a campaign to address racist and sexist stereotypes in music videos, just as students began banning summer hit Blurred Lines on many UK campuses, in response to its sexist lyrics. Jinan Younis, 18, co-founded a feminist society at school, experienced online abuse from some boys in her peer group "feminism and rape are both ridiculously tiring," they wrote and wasn't deterred. Instead, she wrote an article about it that went viral. When I spoke to her in September, she was juggling shifts in a call centre, babysitting for neighbours, preparing for university, while helping out with a campaign to encourage feminist societies in schools countrywide. UK Feminista, an organisation set up in 2010 to support feminist activists, has had 100 people contact them this year, wanting to start their own school group. In late August, their national day of action against lads' mags included 19 protests across the UK.
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Southall Black Sisters protested outside the offices of the UK Border Agency against racist immigration laws and propaganda including the notorious "Go Home" vans. They also marched in solidarity with protesters in Delhi, who began a wave of demonstrations following the death of a woman who was gang raped in the city last December, protests against rape culture that soon spread to Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan and Sri Lanka. The African LGBTI Out & Proud Diamond Group demonstrated opposite Downing Street after allegations emerged of the sexual abuse of women held at Yarl's Wood immigration removal centre
Ikamara Larasi, 24, started heading a campaign to address racist and sexist stereotypes in music videos, just as students began banning summer hit Blurred Lines on many UK campuses, in response to its sexist lyrics. Jinan Younis, 18, co-founded a feminist society at school, experienced online abuse from some boys in her peer group "feminism and rape are both ridiculously tiring," they wrote and wasn't deterred. Instead, she wrote an article about it that went viral. When I spoke to her in September, she was juggling shifts in a call centre, babysitting for neighbours, preparing for university, while helping out with a campaign to encourage feminist societies in schools countrywide. UK Feminista, an organisation set up in 2010 to support feminist activists, has had 100 people contact them this year, wanting to start their own school group. In late August, their national day of action against lads' mags included 19 protests across the UK.
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Southall Black Sisters protested outside the offices of the UK Border Agency against racist immigration laws and propaganda including the notorious "Go Home" vans. They also marched in solidarity with protesters in Delhi, who began a wave of demonstrations following the death of a woman who was gang raped in the city last December, protests against rape culture that soon spread to Nepal, Bangladesh, Pakistan and Sri Lanka. The African LGBTI Out & Proud Diamond Group demonstrated opposite Downing Street after allegations emerged of the sexual abuse of women held at Yarl's Wood immigration removal centre
With so many pressing issues, feminists are fighting on several fronts, and the campaigns of the past few years have often been started by individuals or small groups, who have responded to issues they feel strongly about, and can usefully address. Holmes and Necati both grew up with the Sun at home, which has shaped their opposition to Page 3. Criado-Perez was outraged by all-male discussions of teenage pregnancy and breast cancer treatment on the Today programme, so set up a database of female experts, The Women's Room, with Catherine Smith in 2012. In the first three days of that year, seven women were killed by men, and Karen Ingala Smith, chief executive of the charity Nia, started counting the toll of misogynist murders. Her Counting Dead Women project puts names and stories to the statistics we often hear, and is asking the government to take an integrated approach to understanding violence against women.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/10/fourth-wave-feminism-rebel-women
i like rebel, describing what i am seeing with our young women. a big push in UK and really seems ot be ahead of the ball and a lot of what i am seeing come out. i think the u.s. has catching up and i am seeing that also. i think we got mired in the 3rd. but, htese women are educated, smart, confident, bold and.... LOUD. i like thsse women and excited to see what they do.
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lol. so you do not want them all in individual posts? cause i can keep going. lmao
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#26
men right activist that is spreading pretty hard, fast. a lot of the net, but getting into RL. nt
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#10
Which of course thoroughly explains why you are here in the first place.
Sheldon Cooper
Dec 2013
#30
I have to disagree with you there. I have learned a lot from the members of this group.
Squinch
Dec 2013
#69
to answer you question - MRA = Men's Rights Activist (male or female)
Tuesday Afternoon
Dec 2013
#32
yw, Demeter. Good to see you in here. I value the contributions you make in our
Tuesday Afternoon
Dec 2013
#35
yes, I saw the post. ugh. it was not "nice". I agree. Trying to give a benefit of doubt here ...
Tuesday Afternoon
Dec 2013
#48
I agree, Sheldon. but, Demeter did not so much as attack as stated the fact that someone is on
Tuesday Afternoon
Dec 2013
#57
i apprecaite sheldon saying there should be one place, but i demand, INSIST that you always be true
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#58
when you friggin have everyone on ignore, how would you expect content. lol. oh my.... nt
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#40
Yeah, I'm not a meathead but I feel I'm plenty "masculine" despite any feminist influences
nomorenomore08
Dec 2013
#141
i was thinking about this. watching both boys walk into manhood. one is 19, well on his way.
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#143
or looking how gender is become more fluid, they are not seeing enough john waynes out there.
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#144
Other people gaining strength and power doesn't diminish anyone else. The opposite if anything.
nomorenomore08
Dec 2013
#145
feminists are frigid, prudes, anti sex, jealous, hairy, ugly, fundamentalists,
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#18
women teachers side with girls making it a hostile environment for boys in school.
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#20
no men elementary teachers cause they are afraid of being accused of pedophilia
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#21
Well, around DU it seems they spend more time advocating against women than for men.
Scuba
Dec 2013
#31
the negative energy ... Against Women as opposed to positive energy For Men. yes.
Tuesday Afternoon
Dec 2013
#38
redq is the one that knows... she can tick them off with articulate, concise thought. nt
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#61
which is a contradicition to feminism is causing all the world ills. but contradictions are thru MR
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#47
It's funny but I didn't even know about waves until I started reading about it here.
Sheldon Cooper
Dec 2013
#55
that is why i differeniate the argument from MRA. they probably do not even know. i too,
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#60
can you expand on this, please ... I am not understanding what you are saying:
Tuesday Afternoon
Dec 2013
#110
Third Wave is too complicated and schizo. Ugh. Fragments and divides us.
Tuesday Afternoon
Dec 2013
#114
It is like where racism and sexism intersect, or something. I am not sure I am grasping the
Tuesday Afternoon
Dec 2013
#116
just what I have read on here. sea has posted about it and here is a link from MadrasT
Tuesday Afternoon
Dec 2013
#120
ha ha. i just posted the same article. but... i am leaving mine cause it has pictures. lol.
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#122
well then, can you tell me if I am understanding Third Wave -at all- ??
Tuesday Afternoon
Dec 2013
#125
yes. but my son is home and all he does is talk, lol lol. be back in a moment. all morning
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#126
correct. though, they have pretty much turned their back on 3rd wave. they say it is a fail.
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#68
i almost put that. but.. why i did not is it is not so much the MRA argument but progressive male
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#59
i have not heard of any mra distinguish between the two, nor suggest a preference for any
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#78
A friend of mine from high school says that very thing he's on his sixth marriage and has seven kids
LanternWaste
Dec 2013
#117
ya know. i was just having a conversation with son about how... if listening to within,
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#119
feminists are why men are opting out of life, live in basment eating cheetos, playing computer games
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#81
excellent. that is what i metioned above. many of the talking points are contradiction. i like
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#90
i do not think it is all mra that they put up in defining them. but the arguments they make.
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#104
Women who are bothered by it probably are not the ones being hit on or ogled...
Phentex
Dec 2013
#109
ha ha ha ha ha ha. food for thought, huh? actually i was just thinking about that
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#129
you are into this. you know what really gets me about this argument? they talk "hawt"
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#134
oh, the friend zone is something we were missing. and fedora? i heard something about that
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#140