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seabeyond

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9. i hear that a lot, that it is simply male porn. i disagree. it is a g, pg or r rated movie.
Sun Dec 22, 2013, 02:06 PM
Dec 2013

no more. for the mainstream. then there is a new genre that is truly porn. like the 50 shades. mostly independent. but, i think it is a lame argument that many use to excuse porn, that the romance is female porn.

that being said.

i read all types. it amazes me how they categorize todays women "romance" novel. i do not see it a lot different from sanders, koontz or childs. all have relationships, all have a story that is not focused on teh sex, but all have the sex. yet, cause a female author it goes into romance.

Bodice-rippers and their contemporary counterparts were popular during the 1970s, occupying the same cultural space as the feminist movement but seeming to represent its polar opposite. As feminists were fighting patriarchy, romance novels were propping it up. Despite a major shift in the genre in the late 1980s and early 1990s that saw the near-disappearance of rape and the emergence of much stronger, more modern heroines, the idea remains that feminists and romance readers exist on opposite ends of the spectrum. This is not the case.

Dr. Jackie C. Horne, a writer, independent scholar, and author of the site Romance Novels for Feminists, says that the women who now write romance novels grew up enjoying the benefits of the feminist movement. These authors, Horne says, "take feminist ideas that were once novel, provocative, on the very edge of inconceivable for granted, as givens." In Alice Clayton's Wallbanger and Lauren Dane's Lush, both heroines are adamant that their careers not suffer in order to make a relationship work. They negotiate long-term committed relationships with men who treat them as equals. And, as is par for the course in most romance novels, these women seek out sexual pleasure and they enjoy sex. These are not the romances of the 1970s.

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Grant sees this tension between feminist ideology and the traditionally conservative genre as a welcome challenge to feminist romance authors. "How, respecting the genre and working within its defined parameters, can I write a love story that's palatable to me?," Grant asks herself when deciding the plot for her next novel. "Are there specific trends and devices it might be worthwhile to subvert?" In Grant's first novel, A Lady Awakened, the heroine uses the hero in order to get pregnant. She is not initially interested in emotional intimacy or love. The heroine is the one taking charge of her sexuality and her future while it is the rake who we find crying about how he feels used and eventually begging his love for a long-term commitment.

Sarah MacLean is a New York Times bestselling author of historical romances including Nine Rules to Break When Romancing a Rake and her most recent release, One Good Earl Deserves a Lover. MacLean says her novels are feminist because "the heroine is the hero of the story and she is taking action." It is not that she is pushed into making a change in her life because of an outside force but rather that, "she decides her life is unacceptable and she pushes" against that. MacLean uses the heroine of Nine Rules as an example of this, saying that "at its core from the title on, [the book] speaks to the breaking of the rules I try to write into all of my books." The heroine feels that she is too old to marry, is frustrated by her boring life, and so decides to draft and complete a list of nine things that women in 1813 in England rarely get to do. She smokes, she drinks, she fences, and she kisses men.

http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/03/beyond-bodice-rippers-how-romance-novels-came-to-embrace-feminism/274094/


what i have found since it is so heavily skewed toward the independent strong woman that is the focus of the story, with a real story and plot, when one of the old style writers come along, it is very noticable and very quickly seen in the writing. i dump it and write a bad review, lol. but, they are much fewer and father between. that is just not how the stories are being written now.

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in the 70's and 80's i could agree. and a new crop of them now. but for a couple decades, seabeyond Dec 2013 #1
If women choose to eroticize their own oppression, that makes it OK! redqueen Dec 2013 #2
I'm really glad you started this tread. CrispyQ Dec 2013 #3
I was about to start one more thread and head out the door, redqueen Dec 2013 #4
if you sexualize, glamorize, use to entertain, then yes. and that is what they do today and why i seabeyond Dec 2013 #5
"Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" - yes, that was it. CrispyQ Dec 2013 #15
They didn't sexualize it at all. I think it was one of the few movies that Squinch Dec 2013 #19
I think it is possible to have rape in a story without it being xulamaude Dec 2013 #6
This is what I thought too, but I wanted to check with my fellow fems. -nt CrispyQ Dec 2013 #16
I know of several romance authors who have treated this subject historylovr Dec 2013 #8
Thank you for your post & confirming my thoughts about it. -nt CrispyQ Dec 2013 #17
I absolutely think it is. This is the experience of a third of women, and rape culture Squinch Dec 2013 #12
Great post! CrispyQ Dec 2013 #18
Once that corner of the veil comes up, suddenly everything relates to it. Squinch Dec 2013 #20
Is this a trend or is it confined to one very badly written book recently popular Warpy Dec 2013 #7
i hear that a lot, that it is simply male porn. i disagree. it is a g, pg or r rated movie. seabeyond Dec 2013 #9
I hear that a lot too, and it's just wrong. It's not porn for women. historylovr Dec 2013 #11
i had one, and excellent story. like superb in writing and developing. and you know what... seabeyond Dec 2013 #13
Fifty Shades, I think, is the exception, not the rule. historylovr Dec 2013 #10
You mean "bodice rippers"? ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #14
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