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orthoclad

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Tue Mar 21, 2023, 09:58 AM Mar 2023

I was a devout Catholic child [View all]

I actually experienced an epiphany very young, while chanting Latin and filling my mind with devotion. My internal dialog stopped. I lost personal boundaries and felt the communion. Much like Buddhist chanting and meditation.

I had a discussion on evolution with a priest, my position being "why couldn't God act on the world in this way through evolution". He told me to read Silent Spring, a major influence in my life.

I later tried to join the altar boys, mostly for tips and stealing wine. My parents immediately yanked me out. To this day I wonder why. What did they know?

The nuns were mostly deeply damaged people who needed to retreat to the convent. I still suffer damage from their hands.

I mentally left the Church in 8th grade when a priest at the pulpit told us we couldn't love Mankind as a whole so we had to love our fellow Americans and support the Vietnam War.

I never decided to be an atheist. I just woke up one morning absolutely convinced there is no afterlife. Now I deeply believe that the only thing that counts is how we treat each other in life.

I don't believe in faith. I believe evidence. I've never seen a soul. I've seen many poor, sick and hungry people. Like Stevie Wonder said, when you believe in things you don't understand, you suffer. Anything not supported by evidence is superstition or speculation.

I see the bonds of community and neighborhood that belonging to a church can instill. I see the spirituality of losing one's ego in the face of immensity. I see the kindness which can be practiced. I see the good works of the Catholic Worker movement and the Berrigan brothers and the many people who took seriously the command to love. I appreciate the Nature-love of some pagans. (I regard the Abrahamic religions as pagan.)

I won't argue religion with anyone. We'll all find out the truth, even in the negative sense of oblivion. I suspect we simply can't conceive or perceive the truth via the limitations of our nervous systems. I speculate that death can be a liberation.

I see the greed, abuse, and lust for power which organized, hierarchic religion perpetrates. The misery of billions can be traced to the abuse of faith by the conpeople. There is great evil in churches and institutions.

There is a place in my life for humility and good works. But not for what we in the West generally call "religion", in the sense of propitiating supernatural beings with sacrifices.

I don't believe in faith.

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I was a devout Catholic child [View all] orthoclad Mar 2023 OP
You touched me with your powerful post. Duncanpup Mar 2023 #1
The discussion of the Bible orthoclad Mar 2023 #3
I'm going to be watching cilla4progress Mar 2023 #2
It sounds like you don't believe in organized religion. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #4
I have suspicions, but not faith, orthoclad Mar 2023 #8
Yes the epiphanies could have been a meditative state. Irish_Dem Mar 2023 #14
Bohemian Gravity A Capella Science old as dirt Mar 2023 #17
It amazed me that orthoclad Mar 2023 #18
Thank you for the post ragemage Mar 2023 #5
Yes, I was shooting for orthoclad Mar 2023 #11
It took 8 years of Jesuit education to turn me into a life-long agnostic. OAITW r.2.0 Mar 2023 #6
It's okay live like shit if everything is roses and cake after you die. I always thought that was brewens Mar 2023 #7
The old pie-in-the-sky orthoclad Mar 2023 #10
I had a boss ask me why should I have Christmas off if I don't believe ... LakeArenal Mar 2023 #9
Yeah, I sure get that. calimary Mar 2023 #12
I was raised very conservative Catholic Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2023 #13
They're just people orthoclad Mar 2023 #19
I had a very similar journey, Miguelito Loveless Mar 2023 #15
Life long atheist here, but... old as dirt Mar 2023 #16
Sounds like you'd enjoy the reincarnation book by Ian Stevenson... the universality of the Karadeniz Mar 2023 #20
That would require faith orthoclad Mar 2023 #21
No, not faith. Stevenson follows up claims, tests for accuracy. Karadeniz Mar 2023 #22
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