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Igel

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11. We like to quote studies that show all kinds of things.
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 10:24 PM
Jan 2019

But mostly those that support us.

For sex ed and birth control, there are studies giving ironclad support for both sides.

It works like this. You find a place that's suspended easy access to birth control and sex ed. At the time, there's a nationwide increase in unwed births, or at least in that area. Bam. You got your proof.

Or you find a place that's instituted easy access at the same time that there's that same nationwide increase. Oops. Ease of access increases unwanted pregnancies. Both rest on the same flawed understanding of what a confound is.

The numbers go up and down. They do this differently, at times, in different places. Even nationwide surveys confuse, in the interest of saying "I'm right," a secular trend with the more superficial actions taken by schools and government. Nobody likes to say, "Gee, you know, I'm just not that important."

So births are down. Teen sex rates are down. Now, those are connected. But they're not down for all groups. And you know what, they're not down for all groups in the same area in the same school receiving the same education. Gee, you know, we're just not that important.

Take an example that's different but still the same sort of thing. In Colorado, they legalized pot. One side said, "You know, illicit use will go down--now that it's not a banned substance, there'll be less desire for teens to do it." The other said, "OMG, now that you can get it legally, teens will be flooded with the stuff and use rates will skyrocket." Another looked at that "fear" and said, "Way to go, man, lots of toking teens. Cool." What happened? It held constant. Both sides were wrong. Those who were using used; those who weren't, didn't start. (What did change is that those who used used more.)

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How ironic. nt SWBTATTReg Jan 2019 #1
These statistics need to be adjusted. IphengeniaBlumgarten Jan 2019 #2
Yes, it's not clear from the graphic whether the percentage is catrose Jan 2019 #5
How do they need to be adjusted? Mariana Jan 2019 #9
There are two ways of understanding the assertion. Igel Jan 2019 #10
Shouldn't be surprising to anyone who has watched good Christians outside women's clinics Major Nikon Jan 2019 #14
You don't adjust statistics, at least honestly Major Nikon Jan 2019 #12
Even IF these numbers are skewed... Ferrets are Cool Jan 2019 #3
Pretty proportional to the population. MineralMan Jan 2019 #4
If it is porportional, it means... NeoGreen Jan 2019 #13
To me it means they should be handing out rubbers instead of wafers Major Nikon Jan 2019 #15
Or it simply means that abortions have to do MineralMan Jan 2019 #16
It's not what they preach... NeoGreen Jan 2019 #18
Yes. Hypocrisy is endemic, for sure. MineralMan Jan 2019 #26
They make up the largest denomination so I would expect these results since the anti abortion groups wasupaloopa Jan 2019 #6
Whichever way the data are supposed to be taken TlalocW Jan 2019 #7
More support for littlemissmartypants Jan 2019 #8
We like to quote studies that show all kinds of things. Igel Jan 2019 #11
Indeed, there are a variety of ways to get numbers to lie for our own benefit. littlemissmartypants Jan 2019 #25
How do those numbers compare to the percentages of those PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2019 #17
I bet most people who drive cars are Christian, too. Iggo Jan 2019 #20
The difference being "christians" don't preach that driving a car is... NeoGreen Jan 2019 #21
I'm just saying... Iggo Jan 2019 #22
I agree but I am pointing out that their "christianity" doesn't... NeoGreen Jan 2019 #23
I agree with you on that part. They're hypocrites. It is known. Iggo Jan 2019 #24
I wish "duh" had more syllables, so I could put -fucking- in between them. Iggo Jan 2019 #19
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