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Major Nikon

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Thu Dec 6, 2018, 10:36 AM Dec 2018

It's more than just a bit insulting when religionists claim religion is required for morality [View all]

Religionists make this claim with no evidence. There's no empirical data that suggests this is true, it's just something they believe. In fact, numerous studies suggest the opposite is true and that's just for the behaviors that pretty much everyone agrees are wrong. If you look at things like homophobia, xenophobia, and misogyny those things tend to get worse the more people adhere to various religious doctrines many of which even support those unethical behaviors.

The obvious insult is that those who are irreligious lack their moral framework and as such are inherently prone to unethical behavior. We see this implication all the time. When a person who claims to subscribe to a religious doctrine does something unethical, the immediate assertion from religionists is they aren't a true (insert belief system here). Evidently this makes it easier to rationalize than admitting their belief system itself is subject to moral failure.

The inherent problem with using religious doctrine as a moral framework is it tends to be uncompromising and resistant to changes in prevailing attitudes regarding ethical behavior. It also relies on the fallacy of circular reasoning rather than rationality. What is acceptable and unacceptable behavior today isn't the same as it was 20 years ago, and these attitudes change because of rationality. More often than not it has to drag organized religion behind kicking and screaming.

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Good people can be good regardless of whether they are religious; The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2018 #1
Well put Siwsan Dec 2018 #3
Such is the pitfal of relying on a centuries old guidebook Major Nikon Dec 2018 #4
Absolutely. A lot of wars have been done in the "name of religion" still_one Dec 2018 #6
But "bad" people don't see it as an "excuse." trotsky Dec 2018 #8
Jerry Falwell and Billy Graham aren't just widely regarded as "good people" Major Nikon Dec 2018 #9
Exactly. MineralMan Dec 2018 #17
Their claim display an extremely narrow view of "morality". nt ladjf Dec 2018 #2
Well stated. I find it disappointing, and somewhat amusing at the same time that some are still_one Dec 2018 #5
They seem to be expecting Trumps Christian supporters Mariana Dec 2018 #11
Wow Mariana what an excellent point still_one Dec 2018 #18
I do believe there's a goodly number of 'sects' that don't recite this creed or have a clue as to sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #19
I was made to go to Baptist church and Sunday School. Mariana Dec 2018 #20
You are correct in that. If they let the grabbing slide, tolerating that and making ridiculous sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #22
My cousin thought it was almost a spiritual issue exboyfil Dec 2018 #7
There's a verse for that Major Nikon Dec 2018 #10
To be fair, the book clearly teaches that God approves of slavery. Mariana Dec 2018 #12
Yes and Aron Ra and others exboyfil Dec 2018 #14
I've used that in discussions as a gotcha TlalocW Dec 2018 #16
They believe they have knowledge... NeoGreen Dec 2018 #13
What I think is amusing TlalocW Dec 2018 #15
Yes, it is. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #21
Yep, it's also stupid and wrong. Iggo Dec 2018 #23
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