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SheilaT

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13. Something that has been making me crazy about Heinlein for at least forty years
Sat Nov 22, 2014, 01:32 AM
Nov 2014

is that he puts up a great show about venerating women, and seeming to think women are great, at least as good as men. However, it's clear that in his version of the universe women are desperately eager to have babies, and will defer almost everything else to that end.

Mind you, I'm a woman who very much wanted to have babies, and did eventually have two, but even with that almost Heinleinian perspective, I'm greatly offended by RAH's women want to have babies above all else perspective.

He cloaks a genuine misogynistic view in what appears to be an equality thing. It's not that at all. It relegates women to their childbearing function and almost nothing else.

Besides which, there's a very uncomfortable pedophilia in his later works that is beyond creepy.

Despite that, his earlier works are very good, and I still wish someone would make a good movie out of such early novels as "Tunnel in the Sky" or "Time For the Stars" or "Double Star". He wrote a lot of things that are worth reading and could make excellent movies.

As an aside, one of my disappointments about the sci-fi channel was that they have not gotten around to doing independent movies based on various early s-f novels. Sigh.

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Thanks for the list packman Apr 2014 #1
Interesting list, but I have not been able to SheilaT Apr 2014 #2
I'd go with "Childhood's End" over 2001 sweetloukillbot Nov 2014 #11
Starship Troopers number 3? Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2014 #3
I have a love/hate thing going with Heinlein sweetloukillbot Nov 2014 #12
Something that has been making me crazy about Heinlein for at least forty years SheilaT Nov 2014 #13
They are doing Childhood's End next year. sweetloukillbot Nov 2014 #14
Childhood's End is by Arthur C. Clarke. SheilaT Nov 2014 #16
Yeah, I just meant they are actually tackling classic SF on TV nt sweetloukillbot Nov 2014 #18
Yeah, he only venerates YOUNG women sweetloukillbot Nov 2014 #15
In Time Enough For Love Fortinbras Armstrong Nov 2014 #17
Not a bad list getting old in mke Apr 2014 #4
Here's what is missing in no particular order: FSogol Apr 2014 #5
The fact that I don't happen to think SheilaT Apr 2014 #6
The whole point of lists like that are to spur discission of what should and shouldn't be there. FSogol Apr 2014 #8
Your list getting old in mke Apr 2014 #7
Yes to Jack Vance Cartoonist Oct 2014 #9
Excellent point, about needing to stand the test of time. SheilaT Oct 2014 #10
Times takes away PATRICK Feb 2015 #19
It is truly impossible to predict the future. SheilaT Feb 2015 #20
I've seen Vance missing on a number of lists like these (The Dying Earth would be a good addition) Chathamization May 2015 #21
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