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1965Comet

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Thu Dec 29, 2016, 08:47 AM
Dec 2016

1.) Are you suggesting gun violence by gang members is not a "real" issue? I am not scapegoating anyone, I do not blame others for gang members fighting among themselves. I am interested in ways to mitigate the effects of that violence, and attempting to keep the gangs from getting handguns is one way to try to do that. It doesn't matter that gang members get their guns illegally (for the most part). They tend to steal the guns from legal owners, so a ban on such guns that included legal owners would still impact the pool of guns available to gang members.

2.) Which statistic? Why do you mention "assault weapons"? I imagine we agree that it is a "made-up" category of weapons. Either way, I am talking about handguns, which seem to be the weapon of choice for gangs.

3.) "Would it matter if they got machine guns from the black market like the attacks in Europe? Would it matters if they used homemade flamethrowers?"

But this just illustrates my point about gun bans. You mention several high-profile incidents, but these just show how rare gun violence is over there. I agree that terrorists could import guns and carry out attacks, but still those attacks are a drop in the bucket of gun violence here in the US (just as rifle homicides are a drop in the bucket compared to handguns). Yes, if gang members cannot get handguns perhaps they would make homemade flamethrowers. However, if they walk around with said flamethrowers on the street, it is a good bet they would be noticed.

As to illiberalism: I generally agree that more rights are better than fewer rights. And indeed, banning some or all guns would be taking away a right.

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They're not known for thinking ahead even one step...nt HAB911 Dec 2016 #1
Submitted for reference HAB911 Dec 2016 #2
Deserves, no, demands an OP of it's own. nt flamin lib Dec 2016 #4
Fake study. Kang Colby Dec 2016 #20
Not known for thinking at all. flamin lib Dec 2016 #10
I suggest that this is less of a... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #3
All throughout President Obama's term sarisataka Dec 2016 #5
Huh? 1965Comet Dec 2016 #6
I misunderstood your sarisataka Dec 2016 #7
No worries, we are on the same side here. 1965Comet Dec 2016 #8
your website isn't a valid source gejohnston Dec 2016 #9
My source 1965Comet Dec 2016 #11
the FBI excludes gang related gejohnston Dec 2016 #13
I don't understand why we need to differentiate... 1965Comet Dec 2016 #14
because gejohnston Dec 2016 #17
more 1965Comet Dec 2016 #25
It is my belief that rights are innate in humans. They cannot be "taken away". discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #27
Ok 1965Comet Dec 2016 #28
re: "...the right to self-defense has nothing to do specifically with hand guns..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #29
One could say the same thing about the gun in the hand of the criminal. 1965Comet Dec 2016 #34
re: "...we already do not allow certain weapon systems...the right is not absolute." discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #38
just a few things gejohnston Dec 2016 #32
Further looking into things 1965Comet Dec 2016 #12
their definition includes gejohnston Dec 2016 #15
more 1965Comet Dec 2016 #16
even more gejohnston Dec 2016 #19
MORE more 1965Comet Dec 2016 #21
"... if we were to just ban handguns..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #23
That is all nice, 1965Comet Dec 2016 #24
Name anything... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #26
I agree that pistols are excellent for self defense 1965Comet Dec 2016 #30
Point by point discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2016 #37
Since the #1 priority of the gun control lobby is outlawing the most popular *rifles*, benEzra Jan 2017 #43
no. gejohnston Dec 2016 #31
mass shooting tracker is an admitted propagandist pushing an ideology. 1965Comet Dec 2016 #33
he inflates the numbers gejohnston Dec 2016 #35
The definition 1965Comet Dec 2016 #36
"Confirmed: Heat-seeking Missile Flies up Gun-controllers' Own Arse." Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #18
Uh, this was a right-wing attempt to smear the President, 1965Comet Dec 2016 #22
Oh, I am aware of the RW posting; they don't miss many opportunities, Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #39
I haven't seen this... 1965Comet Dec 2016 #40
I don't really care whether anyone wants to use the new Mass Shooting measure... Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #41
" writing in Yahoo, Nov. 10, 1915." oneshooter Dec 2016 #42
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