Gun Control & RKBA

flamin lib

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49. Okay. Natural law (or rights) stems from a philosophical tradition and is based on nothing

Fri Sep 30, 2016, 02:27 PM

Sep 2016

other than that. Like any other religion or superstition it has no basis in fact and cannot be proven to be valid.

If something can be taken from you that thing is granted to you by the authority that can take it away. Gun rights can be taken from you for committing a felony, having a restraining order or for being adjudicated mentally unfit. Therefore the governing agencies in these instances grant you the right to own guns. They also define what kinds of guns you can have or, for that matter, any other means of self defense, i.e. large knives, nun-chucks etc.

You can *claim* natural law but I can reject that claim as fatuous.

All that aside just embrace the fact that no right is unlimited.

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which is the deadliest round? [View all] beergood Sep 2016 OP

In terms of number of fatalities, I've read its the humble .22 LR DonP Sep 2016 #1

I was told a while back... freebrew Sep 2016 #2

should all semi-autos beergood Sep 2016 #4

nope freebrew Sep 2016 #17

than why is the ar 15 beergood Sep 2016 #3

Because it looks scary and people think its an automatic weapon that the military uses. n/t Waldorf Sep 2016 #18

.22 has been around the longest too DonP Sep 2016 #5

thats for the first beergood Sep 2016 #6

I think it was for a Smith & Wesson pocket pistol DonP Sep 2016 #7

agreed beergood Sep 2016 #9

My great, great grandfather bought his men Henry's and Sharps DonP Sep 2016 #10

screw you beergood Sep 2016 #11

I wish I'd inherited just one of those Henry's or Sharps DonP Sep 2016 #12

Quite a tale, DonP. ^^^ Eleanors38 Sep 2016 #13

Thanks for sharing interesting family history DonP! NT pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #22

will someone beergood Sep 2016 #8

Consider it done GreydeeThos Sep 2016 #20

They do not like any discussion in that group Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #21

not a suprise beergood Sep 2016 #31

The one that hits you. nt flamin lib Sep 2016 #14

Some data on which bullets hit the most people was just released today... benEzra Sep 2016 #24

Great. Since hand guns kill 5 times more than rifles do flamin lib Sep 2016 #25

The prohibitionists have certainly tried. benEzra Sep 2016 #26

I just turned your own logic on it's head. flamin lib Sep 2016 #27

have you evevr beergood Sep 2016 #30

Ah yes, the slippery slope. Straw Man Sep 2016 #32

As for ignition systems, the firelock was a significant improvement over the matchlock, Marengo Sep 2016 #33

Thank you. We agree on something. That's a start. benEzra Sep 2016 #35

You are beginning to sound batshit crazy. flamin lib Sep 2016 #36

flamin lib advocates voting away citizen's right to keep and bear arms GreydeeThos Sep 2016 #37

I thought the other guy was a bit off. Now I get you. flamin lib Sep 2016 #38

The Second Amendment to the Constitution does not grant a right GreydeeThos Sep 2016 #39

In that case please stop citing the second amendment and the bill of rights. flamin lib Sep 2016 #41

The Right to Keep and Bear Arms is a natural right GreydeeThos Sep 2016 #48

Okay. Natural law (or rights) stems from a philosophical tradition and is based on nothing flamin lib Sep 2016 #49

flamin lib makes up their own definition of "natural right" GreydeeThos Sep 2016 #50

Should one decide unilaterally that it's a good idea to ban most or all semi-auto arms... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2016 #51

You are not worth my time. flamin lib Sep 2016 #52

Twenty one minutes to get banned and four post to go on ignore GreydeeThos Sep 2016 #53

"Okay. Natural law (or rights) stems from a philosophical tradition and is based on nothing" beergood Oct 2016 #56

Yep. Just like slavery and the way we have treated (and still do) Native Americans. flamin lib Oct 2016 #58

"I know beer is good but you should clear your head and see the world as it is, not how you want it" beergood Oct 2016 #60

*sigh* Everything you cite here is just more philosophy. flamin lib Oct 2016 #61

Don't you know that good and evil is all in your mind? discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2016 #62

am i in the ignore list? beergood Oct 2016 #59

"Well recognized gungeon tactic: can't have a conversation with just one gunner" Nah, not true. DonP Sep 2016 #40

Most Western nations DON'T ban detachable-magazine semiautos... benEzra Sep 2016 #42

Live by your own? flamin lib Sep 2016 #43

That you consider rifle ownership to be comparable to human trafficking and child porn... benEzra Sep 2016 #44

Excuse me but I seem to have missed something. flamin lib Sep 2016 #45

Yes, you have. Straw Man Sep 2016 #47

You have been advocating banning people's rifles all up and down this thread, benEzra Sep 2016 #55

Ya' left out the semi auto pistols. flamin lib Oct 2016 #57

I'm sure you would. And undoubtedly revolvers, and "riot guns", and "sniper rifles"... benEzra Oct 2016 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Oct 2016 #64

Gun control advocacy attracts bullshit artists, like all prohibitionism. DU is not exempt friendly_iconoclast Oct 2016 #65

agreed beergood Oct 2016 #66

But they are not trying too Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #28

the well aimed one that hits the target melm00se Sep 2016 #15

I'd add.. Littlepawkitty Oct 2016 #67

You're short on criteria discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2016 #16

^^^ Exactly this. ManiacJoe Sep 2016 #19

^^ Yup. NT pablo_marmol Sep 2016 #23

good questions beergood Sep 2016 #29

I have a 300 Winchester Magnum The Green Manalishi Sep 2016 #34

I think a lot of it depends on placement and skill gejohnston Sep 2016 #46

The one that deathrind Sep 2016 #54