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Gun Control & RKBA

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Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
Wed Sep 7, 2016, 02:16 PM Sep 2016

Zika funding stalls due to RW riders. UBC fails due to gun-control riders... [View all]

The objective in both examples of the same tactic is to kill the "mother" legislation.

No one expects a mythical "clean bill." No one expects the "riders" to be adopted. A perusal of the histories of this tactic should confirm this. What remains? To kill the original bill is what is at stake..

Only the motivations differ.

The GOPers have a mechanistic ideology which is corrosive to any funding outside of military, incarceration, policing, and some road project bills. Zika only represents federal "over reach" in support of centralized welfare spending. So it's worth it to try to put the squeeze on the "wussy Democrat Party," even though the effectiveness of bullying the Party on that basis is less effective. But the GOP is nothing if it ain't ideologically mechanistic.

The gun-controllers, on the other hand, have a different motivation. They, too, know the GOP won't even bend on gun-control (or ANYTHING that fits its ideology). But again, the objective is to kill the "clean" legislation of UBCs. So many Democrats load up the legislation with the dead-fish-smellin' AWB and other appendages. So what is behind the tactic, here? For many Democrats, it is a signal that they want to continue full-bore with gun bans, keep it on the front burner, and cultivate a passion (for culture war) which cannot be found in the Party's other murky issues, and certainly cannot compete in the same league as the GOPer's relentless issue campaigns. By now, most here on this site -- and in the country at-large -- know gun control is a self-defeating issue. But much of the Party structure is still cemented to the issue, and much of MSM has picked at the scab so long, that both see compromise as nothing more than an effort to weaken resolve, and to diminish the future of gun control as An Issue. And the Party, for some forty years, now, has cultivated a non-ideological and technocratic stance that it is singularly to inexperienced to deal with this community of rather extreme prohibitionists.

Same tactic, same dug-in inflexibility, same result, different motivations.

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It is only. deathrind Sep 2016 #1
Bull. beevul Sep 2016 #2
You mean the laws that were passed. deathrind Sep 2016 #10
If you weren't referring to laws, what did you mean by compromise? beevul Sep 2016 #17
What do you think of Feinstein's riders to the UBC proposal, post Sandy Hook? Eleanors38 Sep 2016 #5
How much more shit can you pack into one OP? flamin lib Sep 2016 #3
You want to compare your liberalism with mine? Tell me. Eleanors38 Sep 2016 #4
Is that a personal call out? nt flamin lib Sep 2016 #9
After asking about Breitbart "comfort" levels, I coulda sworn it was the opposite. Eleanors38 Sep 2016 #18
The things you posted are identical to what I see at Breitbart. Just sayin . . .nt flamin lib Sep 2016 #19
Hell, they may agree with me on who was the first president, too. Eleanors38 Sep 2016 #20
"only some strange anatomical speculations you seem unusually expert on." Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #11
I'm pretty sure I'm being ignored as well discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2016 #12
If the rationale is, "You just can't reason with these gunners!" Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2016 #13
'Tis a question of the ages and as old as time discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2016 #14
"Sure you wouldn't be more comfortable at Breitbart?" He hasn't advocated voting GOP like you did: friendly_iconoclast Sep 2016 #7
Ouch, that will leave a mark Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #16
This group is enormous Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #15
Isn't this typical of how all legislation is put together? JonathanRackham Sep 2016 #6
Actually, imo, compromise usually comes with measure of degree and authority-sharing... Eleanors38 Sep 2016 #8
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