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needledriver

(836 posts)
12. You may call it bull puckey
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 12:28 PM
Jul 2016

But what metric am I supposed to use?

I tried to search for statistics on defensive gun uses. I found pages that state over two million defensive gun uses per year. I found pages that refute the figure most of which use justifiable defensive homicides as their yardstick for effective defensive gun use.

The most accessible analysis of defensive gun use statistics I have found is from the Violence Policy Center, where they strenuously reject the notion of over two million defensive gun uses per year.

http://www.vpc.org/studies/justifiable15.pdf

In the course of debunking the over two million figure, they come to the conclusion that "only 235,700" defensive gun uses occurred during the five year period of study:

"During this same five-year period [2007 to 2001], only 235,700 of the self-protective behaviors involved a firearm. Of this number, it is not known what type of firearm was used or whether it was fired or not. The number may also include off duty law enforcement officers who use their firearms in self-defense."

235,700 divided by 5 is 47,140. I rounded that up for simplicities' sake, but I'll continue with the 47,140 figure as an average for defensive gun uses per year.

These statistics were drawn from the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) conducted by the Bureau of Justice Statistics. These are statistics on violent crime, not saving big screen tvs or bbq grills. For “violent crime” the NCVS measures rape/sexual assault, robbery, and aggravated and simple assault (see Bureau of Justice Statistics, “Violent Crime,” (see http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=931). That falls well into the situation where the victim faces an imminent risk of serious bodily injury or death.

So I'll take that number: 47,140 defensive gun uses per year as determined by the Bureau of Justice Statistics, and (since I'm using exact figures) compare it to 11,994 deaths by firearm (due to homicide, accident, and undetermined intent) for the year 2015, according to the CDC:
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

You do the math yourself, and tell me how many more people are alive because they were able to make the choice to use a firearm to defend their self.

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What would be the number? [View all] needledriver Jul 2016 OP
How would you substantiate the number of lives saved just based on the number of DGUs? jmg257 Jul 2016 #1
I don't. needledriver Jul 2016 #3
Yes, agreed that any lives saved count - figuring it as the main purpose of self-defense. jmg257 Jul 2016 #6
Even though I believe that guns result in a "null effect" w/regard to violence......... pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #2
People talk about throwing out the 2nd Amendment. JonathanRackham Jul 2016 #4
If it saves one life, it's worth it. ileus Jul 2016 #5
Total propaganda Uponthegears Jul 2016 #7
You may call it bull puckey needledriver Jul 2016 #12
See #18 Uponthegears Jul 2016 #19
Somehow I find the claim that there are 50,000 defensive gun uses SheilaT Jul 2016 #8
Its actually a bit low - Check with the VPC... jmg257 Jul 2016 #9
Then why don't I read about these things every single day, SheilaT Jul 2016 #10
Don't like facts, huh? DonP Jul 2016 #11
Your viewpoint is based in a false assumption. beevul Jul 2016 #14
Not sure - they are often posted here, when it makes the news. jmg257 Jul 2016 #15
The reason you do not sarisataka Jul 2016 #16
Two things- needledriver Jul 2016 #17
Perhaps because they don't get reposted by the sites you visit? LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #26
because the media doesn't choose to report them, gejohnston Jul 2016 #28
Will you folks stop at nothing?????? Uponthegears Jul 2016 #18
Sorry - VPCs numbers are hardly mis-leading - quoted very specific DGU values as THEY provided them. jmg257 Jul 2016 #20
Please, please, you're killing me . . . Uponthegears Jul 2016 #21
"I have a problem with you trying to claim they represent the number of instances where a defensive jmg257 Jul 2016 #22
That would be real embarrassing Uponthegears Jul 2016 #23
He he - No worries...Cheers! I do hear you! jmg257 Jul 2016 #24
I am not a statistician needledriver Jul 2016 #25
"How many additional deaths per year of people unable to defend themselves would you be willing to jmg257 Jul 2016 #27
Sorry- that was not for you. needledriver Jul 2016 #29
All Guns Matter SCantiGOP Jul 2016 #13
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