Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: Gun Violence Is a Full-Blown National Crisis [View all]EdwardBernays
(3,343 posts)Lot's to unpack here:
First, Ireland is largely rural. And almost all of those guns are shotguns owned by farmers. I have NEVER seen a handgun in Ireland and this year there's a GANG WAR in Ireland that has resulted in a BLOODBATH which basically means 6 people have been shot.
This has resulted in calls for a special police task force, because in Ireland when 6 people get shot the country is outraged. In America that happens every two hours and people like yourself just shrug.
If America's biggest problem was the odd elderly person being beaten to death by linebackers, it'd be an incredibly safe country. See you're willing to trade thousands of dead kids a year for some illusory sense of safety.
The Australian had 516 gun deaths the year it banned guns. Last year it had 230. Imagine saving more than 15,000 people a year in America. But I know I know... elderly people attacked by footballers means thousands of kids have to die.
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compareyears/10/total_number_of_gun_deaths
Actually those kind of crimes AREN'T more common in the Europe.
United States has ranked in the top 11 for violent crime > rapes per million people since 2003.
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Violent-crime/Rapes-per-million-people
It's got much more violent crime:
EU: 283.3
US: 386.9
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Assault-rate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States
And a higher robbery rate than most of Europe:
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Robberies
Imagine in the US had the same murder rate as Vermont. If it did no one would be calling for guns to be confiscated. But Vermont is such an outlier in America that it's statistically noise.
On the OTHER hand the Irish murder rate is HIGH for Europe. It's not anomalously low.
Ireland - with it's 6 gun deaths in its gang war is seen as violent by Europeans. Not America violent - but European violent. Literally there's no accidental shootings here. No kids finding guns here. No mass shootings here. No school shootings. And that's the same for all of Europe.
Let's put that another way.
US murder rate: 4.5 murders per 100,000 people
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/violent-crime/murder-topic-page/murdermain_final
Ireland murder rate: 1.1 murders per 100,000 people
France murder rate: 1.2 murders per 100,000 people
Germany: 0.9
Austria: 0.5
Switzerland: 0.5
Spain: 0.7
Croatia: 0.8
Denmark: 1.0
UK: 1.0
etc etc etc
You might say that American society is just more violent - all the more reason not to have 300,000,000 guns.