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In reply to the discussion: I'm afraid. [View all]gejohnston
(17,502 posts)41. your numbers are still wrong
heroin still kills 14K every year. Still doesn't account for the hundreds of thousands of DGUs that don't result in death, or that all of the countries that have worse murder rates than ours make UK and Australia something Ted Nugent would agree with.
And can I just say that I find it hilarious that you think pot gangs are killing 8000 people a year.
drug gang warfare, often US subsidiaries of Latin American gangs, like MS13 are the majority of our murders. I don't give a rat's ass if you find it hard to believe or not, that is simple fact. Just look at where the murders are. They are not in North Dakota or even the nicer parts of Chicago or DC. BTW, your logical fallacy is argument by assertion.
The facts are clear, as much as you don't like them, guns serve no good purpose in society. Most western societies live peacefully without them. Americans in particular can't handle guns and the damage wrought on society is OBVIOUS. Outside of America everyone thinks Americans obsession with guns is akin to mental illness. They stare slack-jawed at a society so desperate to protect from criminals with guns it stuffs homes with guns and then wonders why so many people die or are injured from guns.
That is a value judgement, not facts.
I know you've been drinking the gun kool-aid so long I sound like a nut to you. I get that. But the rest of the world thinks your attitude is literally insane. Literally.
Actually, no. Angela Merkle is the EU's greatest gun salesperson. Gun rights groups are gaining power. Frankly, I don't give a rat's ass what much of the world thinks, because they don't share our liberal values and have no respect for the individual. Quite frankly, many of them are corrupt, theocratic, racist shitholes. Saudi Arabia comes to mind. BTW, that is also a logical fallacy called "band wagon". The only reason these laws were passed in Europe, including the UK, was because the ruling elites saw the Russian Revolution and decided "we don't want that".
Come back when you have an intelligent fallacy free argument. Quite frankly, emotional, fact free, and fallacious arguments might work the the stupid and intellectually lazy, but no me. If you want to convince me, provide a valid argument based on real numbers and relevant facts.
Criminologists can not explain the cycles in crime rates, even though many have pet theories. Poverty, lead in the environment, young male population, are among them. None of them are "just guns" outside of a few fringe ideologues.
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That's a good first option, I believe in the USMC rules for gun fighting...
discntnt_irny_srcsm
May 2016
#7
re: "would never call a non-gunner 'weak' or 'unprepared' or anything insulting."
discntnt_irny_srcsm
May 2016
#18