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Gun Control & RKBA

In reply to the discussion: I'm afraid. [View all]

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
38. Really
Tue May 3, 2016, 03:46 PM
May 2016

Divine my intention? I made it clear now what my intention was so no divining necessary.

At least you have clearly said that the way to get rid of gun violence is to get rid of guns. We agree.

As for Detroit etc., I grew up in Arkansas and saw abject poverty. But. Have you ever been to Eastern European slums? China is a second world country and even by Detroit standards most of China is pretty abysmally poor.

And still has almost no gun crime.

What I meant - which has I'm sure you actually know - is that pro-gun individuals and groups always have some other factor when it comes to gun violence: poverty, gangs, diversity, etc. There's never a moment when a pro-gun person says "hang on, this thing that I'm advocatibg for is at least partially responsible for 30k deaths in my country each year; there must be a better way".

Instead we get an endless litany of excuses - anything to shift the blame off of their precious guns.

And they agitate so loudly that they get their way. And as a result 30k more Americans die every year.

And - aside from all the paranoid fear that drives many gun owners to stock up on multiple guns and ammunition - they sleep ok at night. All those dead kids be damned. Who cares as long as I have my guns.

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I'm afraid. [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 OP
I'm always tickled by those who say gun owners live in fear Press Virginia May 2016 #1
My personal opinion discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #2
well my first line of defense is the dogs Press Virginia May 2016 #3
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Not even vaguely true EdwardBernays May 2016 #22
I do, I also know what I'm reading. gejohnston May 2016 #23
Gun violence. Straw Man May 2016 #25
well EdwardBernays May 2016 #27
we don't have tens of thousands of accidents, gejohnston May 2016 #28
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There's some truth EdwardBernays May 2016 #36
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I wonder... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #17
re: "would never call a non-gunner 'weak' or 'unprepared' or anything insulting." discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #18
The Nuge.... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #19
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This is a tricky place. CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #21
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