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In reply to the discussion: I'm afraid. [View all]gejohnston
(17,502 posts)37. more complete nonsense
to the fact that America is a special case, insofar as it's unable to safely own guns... I don't disagree, but... but... that's not an argument for Americans continuing to have endless access to guns...
the people who are the problem will still have access to guns, just like the heroin and coke they sell.
Imagine if your son wrecks your cars 2-3 times in a few months... your neighbour's son never does... does your neighbour's son's ability to drive safely mean that you should let your son continue to have your car?
which has nothing to do with anything.
Put it a different way, if America didn't have 30K people die at the end of a gun every year, with 10s of thousands more injured, no one would be calling for more gun control... people want gun control BECAUSE Americans as a whole can't handle guns safely... at all.
after you subtract the suicides, there are eight thousand gun homicides. Almost all of them are criminals, gangs, killing each other. Accidents are in the tens, not thousands.
actually, people would still be pushing for stricter gun laws, because it is a culture war. People like Bloomberg and Brady campaign don't give a rat's ass about saving lives. They care about their pet cause and ideology. New York's Sullivan law was not about "saving lives" it was about disarming the victims of Tim Sullivan's gang. Tim Sullivan was not only a corrupt Tammany Hall politician, but he was also a mobster. Former California Senator Leland Yee is no different. He also had connections to organized crime, and was busted conspiring to smuggle machine guns and rocket launchers in the US. Two of the three NY politicians that pushed the SAFE Act were since convicted of extortion and fraud.
And yeah, that might mean that safe gun owners have to suffer a bit, to save a lot of innocent lives, but so what? Gun owners certainly aren't doing anything to lower the gun death rate... they've had decades to sort it out without government intervention and yet... 10s of thousands of deaths a year... in the last 15 years alone more Americans have died at the end of a gun than died in military action in ww2.
Most murder victims are criminals, see Chicago and Detroit. The average gun owner has nothing to do with it. All gun laws attack people WHO ARE NOT THE PROBLEM, and does NOTHING about those who are there.
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/January-2012/Gangs-and-Politicians-An-Unholy-Alliance/
That's just Chicago. Newark, Trenton, New Orleans are no different.
And yet, when even simple gun safety legislation is proposed gun owners flip out and act like their entire self worth as an American is being challenged...
It's absurd..
Putting more restrictions on target shooters and hunters do nothing about the gang violence in Detroit, Chicago, Newark, DC, New Orleans. You know the quickest way to cut our murder rate in half? Give Oakland, Stockton, and Compton back to Mexico and give Detroit and Chicago to Canada.
It's absurd..
The conditions in those cities are EXACTLY like the third world countries in Latin America. The poverty, corruption, poor infrastructure, substandard education, and gangs. The rest of the US is safer than most of Europe. That's a fact.
But hey listen, lets be clear... no one is going to do anything about it... America will still lose thousands of kids to guns a year... don't worry... your freedom as a gun owner to wipe out a few dozen civilians will not be impinged.
Nothing you, Bloomberg, Bernie, or any other gun control activist proposes will change that. NOTHING because you ignore the science of what the real issues are. You list countries without even bothering to look up their gun laws or anything else. You listed different countries based on.... I have no idea based on what.
You know who is more responsible, who fuels most of our gun violence? Bong owners. They are more responsible than gun owners because they fund the gangs who kill each other. You are spouting bullshit and claims that have nothing to do with the real issues. Passing laws won't do shit. Out of the peer reviewed studies done on Australia, NOT ONE shows that the National Firearms Agreement had the positive effect John Howard claimed. BTW, in Australia, if you resist the person robbing or raping you YOU will be charged with assault.
http://www.sascv.org/ijcjs/pdfs/bakersamaraijcjs2015vol10issue1.pdf
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That's a good first option, I believe in the USMC rules for gun fighting...
discntnt_irny_srcsm
May 2016
#7
re: "would never call a non-gunner 'weak' or 'unprepared' or anything insulting."
discntnt_irny_srcsm
May 2016
#18