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Gun Control & RKBA

In reply to the discussion: I'm afraid. [View all]

gejohnston

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37. more complete nonsense
Tue May 3, 2016, 01:09 PM
May 2016
to the fact that America is a special case, insofar as it's unable to safely own guns... I don't disagree, but... but... that's not an argument for Americans continuing to have endless access to guns...
the people who are the problem will still have access to guns, just like the heroin and coke they sell.

Imagine if your son wrecks your cars 2-3 times in a few months... your neighbour's son never does... does your neighbour's son's ability to drive safely mean that you should let your son continue to have your car?
which has nothing to do with anything.

Put it a different way, if America didn't have 30K people die at the end of a gun every year, with 10s of thousands more injured, no one would be calling for more gun control... people want gun control BECAUSE Americans as a whole can't handle guns safely... at all.
after you subtract the suicides, there are eight thousand gun homicides. Almost all of them are criminals, gangs, killing each other. Accidents are in the tens, not thousands.
actually, people would still be pushing for stricter gun laws, because it is a culture war. People like Bloomberg and Brady campaign don't give a rat's ass about saving lives. They care about their pet cause and ideology. New York's Sullivan law was not about "saving lives" it was about disarming the victims of Tim Sullivan's gang. Tim Sullivan was not only a corrupt Tammany Hall politician, but he was also a mobster. Former California Senator Leland Yee is no different. He also had connections to organized crime, and was busted conspiring to smuggle machine guns and rocket launchers in the US. Two of the three NY politicians that pushed the SAFE Act were since convicted of extortion and fraud.

And yeah, that might mean that safe gun owners have to suffer a bit, to save a lot of innocent lives, but so what? Gun owners certainly aren't doing anything to lower the gun death rate... they've had decades to sort it out without government intervention and yet... 10s of thousands of deaths a year... in the last 15 years alone more Americans have died at the end of a gun than died in military action in ww2.
Most murder victims are criminals, see Chicago and Detroit. The average gun owner has nothing to do with it. All gun laws attack people WHO ARE NOT THE PROBLEM, and does NOTHING about those who are there.
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/January-2012/Gangs-and-Politicians-An-Unholy-Alliance/
That's just Chicago. Newark, Trenton, New Orleans are no different.

And yet, when even simple gun safety legislation is proposed gun owners flip out and act like their entire self worth as an American is being challenged...

It's absurd..
Putting more restrictions on target shooters and hunters do nothing about the gang violence in Detroit, Chicago, Newark, DC, New Orleans. You know the quickest way to cut our murder rate in half? Give Oakland, Stockton, and Compton back to Mexico and give Detroit and Chicago to Canada.
The conditions in those cities are EXACTLY like the third world countries in Latin America. The poverty, corruption, poor infrastructure, substandard education, and gangs. The rest of the US is safer than most of Europe. That's a fact.

But hey listen, lets be clear... no one is going to do anything about it... America will still lose thousands of kids to guns a year... don't worry... your freedom as a gun owner to wipe out a few dozen civilians will not be impinged.
Nothing you, Bloomberg, Bernie, or any other gun control activist proposes will change that. NOTHING because you ignore the science of what the real issues are. You list countries without even bothering to look up their gun laws or anything else. You listed different countries based on.... I have no idea based on what.

You know who is more responsible, who fuels most of our gun violence? Bong owners. They are more responsible than gun owners because they fund the gangs who kill each other. You are spouting bullshit and claims that have nothing to do with the real issues. Passing laws won't do shit. Out of the peer reviewed studies done on Australia, NOT ONE shows that the National Firearms Agreement had the positive effect John Howard claimed. BTW, in Australia, if you resist the person robbing or raping you YOU will be charged with assault.
http://www.sascv.org/ijcjs/pdfs/bakersamaraijcjs2015vol10issue1.pdf

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I'm afraid. [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 OP
I'm always tickled by those who say gun owners live in fear Press Virginia May 2016 #1
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well my first line of defense is the dogs Press Virginia May 2016 #3
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Lol EdwardBernays May 2016 #4
there is no evidence to support the claim gejohnston May 2016 #5
lol EdwardBernays May 2016 #9
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I'm not EdwardBernays May 2016 #13
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you proved my point gejohnston May 2016 #14
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Cops carry EdwardBernays May 2016 #8
Are you saying that... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #10
I'm saying EdwardBernays May 2016 #12
cum hoc ergo propter hoc gejohnston May 2016 #15
Not even vaguely true EdwardBernays May 2016 #22
I do, I also know what I'm reading. gejohnston May 2016 #23
Gun violence. Straw Man May 2016 #25
well EdwardBernays May 2016 #27
we don't have tens of thousands of accidents, gejohnston May 2016 #28
ummm EdwardBernays May 2016 #32
That is pretty low for our population gejohnston May 2016 #35
There's some truth EdwardBernays May 2016 #36
more complete nonsense gejohnston May 2016 #37
Lol EdwardBernays May 2016 #39
your numbers are still wrong gejohnston May 2016 #41
Relevance? Straw Man May 2016 #30
Yes? Straw Man May 2016 #24
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here EdwardBernays May 2016 #31
wrong gejohnston May 2016 #33
... and there. Straw Man May 2016 #34
Really EdwardBernays May 2016 #38
Red herrings and false premises. Straw Man May 2016 #40
I wonder... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #17
re: "would never call a non-gunner 'weak' or 'unprepared' or anything insulting." discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #18
The Nuge.... CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #19
Well, the Nuge kind of 'ran out the door without paying' discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #20
This is a tricky place. CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #21
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