Gun Control & RKBA

Straw Man

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9. Yes, facts are so tedious, aren't they?

Mon May 2, 2016, 03:03 PM

May 2016

I have a $35000 pickup truck that won't start without a battery. The difference between my truck and the Mossberg is that the Mossberg gives audible and visual warning when the battery reaches 30% charge. That's about 1000 rounds.

Your car battery recharges itself continually. The Mossberg? Nope.

Your truck battery gives you feedback in terms of slow starting. You probably drive it every day, or at least several times a week, and would be aware of the battery's condition. Will you be around to hear and see your smart gun's battery warning before it fades away to nothing? A shotgun that is kept for home defense might be used rarely (for practice) if at all. A "dumb gun" could sit for years and still be in perfect working order. A "smart gun"? Nope.

Leaving the ring is tantamount to leaving the gun unloaded.

Not at all. See previous point: The gun itself might be left loaded and secured for years. It should still be there and functional if and when it is needed. How many times will that ring go on and off the user's finger in that span of time? How many chances to lose or forget it will there be?

When are you going to think for yourself and stop regurgitating the propaganda the gun makers feed you?

When are you going to make some cogent arguments? Do you think the gun makers care? They would jump at the chance to sell gun owners some mandated high-tech doo-dad. What exactly is is that you think Mossberg sells? Lawn mowers?

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Gun maker wants industry to give 'smart guns' a shot [View all] SecularMotion May 2016 OP

Fine Duckhunter935 May 2016 #1

No problem as long as there are no mandates. nt hack89 May 2016 #2

This is a good product and woks instantly and as reliably as the same shotgun without flamin lib May 2016 #3

Unless ... Straw Man May 2016 #4

Your argument is sooooooooo tedious. flamin lib May 2016 #5

Tedious it may very well be, but you haven't actually refuted it friendly_iconoclast May 2016 #6

Thats going to leave a mark. beevul May 2016 #8

Barring further explanation, I say that endorsement of the shotgun is a) phony, or... friendly_iconoclast May 2016 #11

Yes, facts are so tedious, aren't they? Straw Man May 2016 #9

Do you see and hear those warnings Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #16

Or your wife needs it... ileus Sep 2016 #13

The battery dies Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author CompanyFirstSergeant May 2016 #7

Fine with me. If it works, folks will scarf 'em up. nt Eleanors38 May 2016 #10

I bet some figures out how to hack it. Hangingon Sep 2016 #12

Forgive my vacuum tube tech, but I remember the old "pulse" notion... Eleanors38 Sep 2016 #17

Cheap does not come into it. Hangingon Sep 2016 #19

Prohibition WILL go unchecked if not opposed... Eleanors38 Sep 2016 #20

Eh? Looks like word salad to me. nt flamin lib Sep 2016 #22

Ears wide shut, eh? Eleanors38 Sep 2016 #24

What do you expect from somebody that thinks the AR15 is a military issue weapon? DonP Sep 2016 #25

I know, isn't that the person Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #26

Yup, The "World's Foremost Authority" in Castle Bansalot - not a high bar DonP Sep 2016 #32

IMNSHO some of the usual suspects... discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2016 #33

After having their hat handed to them for 3 or 4 years ... DonP Sep 2016 #35

re: "I don't believe it "jumped" 12 points in 2 years." discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2016 #36

I never believed it dropped off after '94 either DonP Sep 2016 #44

re: "Nobody's suggesting a mass confiscation of Persian Kittens ... at least not yet." discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2016 #46

If he read what I said, he would have paid close attention to the last 2 sentences. Eleanors38 Sep 2016 #28

Uh, no. Just hard to follow all the conspiracy and try follow any thread of reason. flamin lib Sep 2016 #29

I suggest that *you* remember that you run neither this website nor this group... friendly_iconoclast Sep 2016 #30

Speaking of this DEMOCRATIC sarisataka Sep 2016 #34

Says the supporter of a group that just endorsed 2 repukes. N/T beevul Sep 2016 #37

I am sure that poster Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #43

Wow, so now you think you are a host here in this group? Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #42

i trust mossberg beergood Sep 2016 #14

I may be misunderstanding, but I think... benEzra Sep 2016 #18

understood beergood Sep 2016 #21

Uh, no. nt flamin lib Sep 2016 #23

Is it on the market or an introduction date set yet, been 6 months Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #27

iGun says they won't introduce it until mandates are off the table. benEzra Sep 2016 #41

I agree with mandates Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #45

Wouldn't that be disagreeing with mandates? N/T beevul Sep 2016 #50

Badly worded Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #52

It's been five months since you endorsed it. Have you managed to actually test it yet? friendly_iconoclast Sep 2016 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author benEzra Sep 2016 #39

Uh, yes. I just checked. Jonathan Mossberg runs a small startup (iGun), not O.F. Mossberg. benEzra Sep 2016 #38

It is ironic that the people who want to throw their neighbors in jail... benEzra Sep 2016 #40

I doubt very much the OP and his second banana care for *this* quote from Jonathan Mossberg: friendly_iconoclast Sep 2016 #47

But, but, it's as reliable as his $35,000 Pick em Up truck! DonP Sep 2016 #48

If he returns to tout the Electro-Mossberg again, be sure to remind him of Mossberg's own words friendly_iconoclast Sep 2016 #49

Now who could that quote be from? Duckhunter935 Sep 2016 #53

Good luck to this guy... deathrind Sep 2016 #51

Do you agree with what he said in an interview last year?: friendly_iconoclast Sep 2016 #54

Yes. deathrind Sep 2016 #55

Of course, Mossberg is secretly forging one ring to control them all . . . LongtimeAZDem Sep 2016 #56