Gun Control & RKBA

discntnt_irny_srcsm

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11. re: "Guns are not a "right"."

Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:48 AM

Apr 2016

Obviously guns are inanimate objects and rights are abstracts. I infer that you mean the ownership and use of weapons is wrong. If I missed something there, please explain it. Is that universal are there exceptions?

Also, please explain your concept of a "right". It would be a bit difficult to agree on what is and is not a right without sharing a common definition of that term.

The Bill of Rights names several rights and by the canon of construction known as in pari materia (upon the same matter) the meaning of the word "right" must be consistent. I am, however, more interested now in understanding what you mean by the term "right" and which of the so named principles in the BoR you do accept.

Thanks in advance.

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2A: Group or individual right? [View all] tortoise1956 Apr 2016 OP

How interesting. SheilaT Apr 2016 #1

It seems a foregone conclusion that... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #2

My education in political theory pretty much held that the B.O.R.'s rights... Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #13

I reject the notions of collective and/or individual so-called "rights" to guns. stone space Apr 2016 #3

But can you support such an assertion... theatre goon Apr 2016 #4

At my age, I offer mostly moral support for those actively struggling against the tools of violence. stone space Apr 2016 #6

So, the answer is no. theatre goon Apr 2016 #8

At my age... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #17

In other words, you do nothing of substance to advance your cause of gun control Lurks Often Apr 2016 #18

Au Contraire! DonP Apr 2016 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #20

I'm amused by the near complete lack of support that one receives Lurks Often Apr 2016 #21

So, you you believe... Puha Ekapi Apr 2016 #7

What part of "I reject the notion" did you not understand? stone space Apr 2016 #9

Ok, I just wanted to see... Puha Ekapi Apr 2016 #10

Perhaps the confusion originates in the fact that you are unable to answer questions... Marengo Apr 2016 #29

re: "Guns are not a "right"." discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #11

I used the expression "negative" in regard government's restrictions and implied duties. Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #14

Always has been an individual, always should be. ileus Apr 2016 #5

Three important points... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #12

It became murky when the representatives recreated the Miltias into the National Guard. jmg257 Apr 2016 #15

The Militia and the National Guard are not one and the same... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #16

UNorganized Militia is a JOKE jimmy the one Apr 2016 #25

I take it... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #28

feel good unorganized militia, mostly untrained armed rabble jimmy the one Apr 2016 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #36

All of which is entirely irrelevant to the simple fact that it exists. Marengo Apr 2016 #30

Linguistically, clearly individual. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #22

Let's say for a moment... CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #24

What good are rights not granted to the individual??? ileus Apr 2016 #23

Well - rights SECURED for the individual...I fixed it! :) nt jmg257 Apr 2016 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #26

such misconstruction of what's right before your eyes jimmy the one Apr 2016 #32

Let's take these one at a time tortoise1956 Apr 2016 #37

raccoons are scavengers discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2016 #38

re: "Group or individual right?" discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2016 #33

Very obviously individual, of course. N/T beevul Apr 2016 #34