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Gun Control & RKBA

In reply to the discussion: From the CDC... [View all]

jimmy the one

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17. warped
Tue Mar 22, 2016, 02:35 PM
Mar 2016

beevul: Because suicides and homicides have different causes. Lumping them together ignores those differing causes, and casts a large shadow of doubt on the sincerity you and your buddies claim toward wanting to reduce "gun deaths".
... In short, your actions betray your intentions.


Well, the subdivision suicide total by firearm apparently is 21,175, which would place it right at the #15 marker, does it not?

2013 Intentional self-harm (suicide) ..... 41,149
Intentional self-harm (suicide) by discharge of firearms .......... 21,175

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

beevul's list: 14.Parkinson’s – 25,196
15.Pneumonitis due to solids and liquids 18,579


beevul: Again, this list isn't death by instrument, its death by cause.

Strained reasoning. Subdividing suicide gets firearm suicide as the #15 cause.

2013 Assault (homicide) ........ 16,121
Assault (homicide) by discharge of firearms ..........11,208
Assault (homicide) by other and unspecified means .. 4,913


beevul: Lumping them together ignores those differing causes,

Yet here, beevul, the CDC list you cite lumps influenza and pneumonia together as one cause, are you throwing your violation flag on yourself? your list has it #8.Flu and pneumonia – 56,979:
Influenza and pneumonia ....... 56,979
... Influenza ......................... 3,697
... Pneumonia ..................... 53,282

Influenza is an infection mainly affecting the nose, throat, airways, and lungs.
Pneumonia is an inflammation of one or both lungs, usually caused by an infection.


And why is #15 not in sync somehow with the aforementioned #8? as well as specifying the 'instrument' of ingestion as cause:
15. Pneumonitis due to solids and liquids 18,579
Pneumonitis is a term that refers to lung tissue inflammation due to factors other than a microbial infection

Pls explain these apparent discrepancies; the predominance of the suicide affliction would be 'suicide by firearm'.

beevul: As a second reason, I support people being able to take their own lives for any reason.

Just curious, are you voting for donald trump this year? (my bet); or our beloveds hillary or bernie?
High school grads get jilted for the prom, depressed, but OK by beevul if they wanna, eh?
Even assisted suicide doctors do not concur with beevul's warped mentality on this.

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From the CDC... [View all] beevul Feb 2016 OP
Banning guns because of shootings... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #1
But anonymous internet posters sarisataka Feb 2016 #2
That' strange as they list: All firearm deaths Number of deaths: 33,636 jmg257 Feb 2016 #3
Keyword being 'cause'. N/T beevul Feb 2016 #4
Ah - gotcha. "Shooting" is only mentioned once in the whole report. jmg257 Feb 2016 #5
Also from the CDC russ1943 Feb 2016 #6
"Objectionable" beevul Feb 2016 #7
An attempt to enlighten a gun enthusiast is futility defined. russ1943 Feb 2016 #9
Would it somehow be better if gun suicides used other methods to do themselves in... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #10
"An attempt to enlighten a gun enthusiast is futility defined." pablo_marmol Feb 2016 #12
Reading is fundamental, russel. beevul Feb 2016 #14
warped jimmy the one Mar 2016 #17
"Gun control advocates only ever express concern about suicide when guns are involved" friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #18
So much bla bla bla, so little substance. beevul Mar 2016 #19
re your repugnant position jimmy the one Mar 2016 #20
Repugnant only to those that presume they have some binding interest in the lives of others. beevul Mar 2016 #21
Here's some "futility" from Webster's def. of "epidemic"... Eleanors38 Mar 2016 #15
+1. You have demonstrated that pious fraud is part and parcel of gun control advocacy friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #16
Strangely when Europe looks at US firearm deaths sarisataka Feb 2016 #8
Gun control advocates only ever express concern about suicide when guns are involved... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #11
That's NRA TALKING POINTS™ virginia mountainman Feb 2016 #13
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