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In reply to the discussion: America is no longer gun-shy about gun control [View all]discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,606 posts)20. thanks and here's my take
First we both have to agree that gun nuts fetishize guns, violence and second amendment rights
What anyone does or does not view as a fetish doesn't and shouldn't play a role in the law.
fbi is now sitting on million of unchecked background checks
The NICS works to complete BGCs within minutes. Checks have a statutory limit of 3 days after which they proceed if there has been no prohibition found.
but because of loopholes just submitting info to the fbi means the gun shop owner or dealer (that's the law abiding one) gets to sell guns as a "straw purchaser" as many a he wants...(as evidenced by the millions of unprocessed background checks)....and the dealer gets to say that he sold only guns with background checks.....because of a technicality in actuality all across america all types of weapons by the millions are sold with virtually no bacground check; this is how the ame tragedy happened
I'm not exactly sure what you're saying here. All FFLs must regardless of venue, time of day, phase of moon... run an NICS BGC on every buyer. The FFL may delay the sale while the BGC is in progress. The NICS and any state checks have 3 days by law to render either an okay proceed decision or a denial and reason. After the 3 days, the sale proceeds with or without a BGC decision. BGCs that take longer than 3 days and are returned with a denial AFAIK go to either ATF of FBI who take steps based on any laws that may have been broken. Sales between private citizens must follow state laws. Various states mandate BGCs for private sales.
in counties all across america...even tho laws are being passed in every state about background checks ...sheriff's and law enforcement are refusing to do them ..they are openly defiant...because they say they don't have the funding...I believe them...but that doesn't stop the gun dealer from selling guns with unprocessed background check...literally for months the media and the government said dylann roof had passed his background check...and that was all shot to hell when one of the family members went and testified in oregon state legislative session...in salem about how Roof had never passed a background check....
What you may not know: several states have implemented their NICS participation as full Point-of-Contact for firearm purchases. South Carolina is not one of them. I suppose all states have their own priorities in electing what to fund and for how much but the Full POC states (in red at the link: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/general-information/participation-map ) have the FFL contact a state law enforcement agency which runs its own checks of state databases while also forwarding the buyer's data for the federal check. Most of those states look to me to have a strong BLUE influence. Federal money is available for states to use in improving their BGC systems.
tax payers pay billions of dollars to the government every year to clean up the bloody messes of 10's of thousands of murders....33 thousand last year I think
The CDC shows for 2014 33,599 deaths caused by firearm discharge. Of those 21,334 were suicides, 464 were law enforcement related, 586 were accidental and 270 were cases where the intent was not determined. That leaves 10,945 homicides which would include justifiable homicides. I expect the number of justifiable homicides to rather low. ( Here is a link to the CDC database query page: http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_us.html )
bernie has voted 5 times to block the ability of victims families to sue...gun manufacturers
Senator Sanders voted for the PLCAA (Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act) and AFAIK defends most provisions of the act. The PLCAA prevents those companies and individuals in the industry from being sued for the criminal actions of private citizens. Is that a problem and why?
but instead of going through congress there has to be a national vote
A national vote on/for what?
what do you suggest?
Glad you asked. ![](/emoticons/thumbsup.gif)
1: States need to take a leading role. Every state should be Full POC with NICS.
2: Every state should have at least a means for private sellers to go through law enforcement for a BGC for their buyer.
3: I'm against the death penalty but think violent offenders are released too often and too soon.
4: Most people locked up have no support system on release and return to crime. Help and monitoring are needed.
5: The war on drugs needs to end.
That's a start.
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The number of gun related deaths is 33k. The majority of which are suicides not murders
Press Virginia
Feb 2016
#19
"First we both have to agree that gun nuts fetishize guns, violence and second amendment rights"
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2016
#22
Your interlocutor is having a time-out. Something about gun control seems to induce logorrhea...
friendly_iconoclast
Feb 2016
#58
It's a sad sight to witness otherwise intelligent people in the throes of false consensus effect
friendly_iconoclast
Feb 2016
#29
Someone forgot to inform the citizens of Illinois, Minnesota, and Massachusetts...
friendly_iconoclast
Feb 2016
#28