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discntnt_irny_srcsm

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20. thanks and here's my take
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 04:47 PM
Feb 2016
First we both have to agree that gun nuts fetishize guns, violence and second amendment rights
What anyone does or does not view as a fetish doesn't and shouldn't play a role in the law.


fbi is now sitting on million of unchecked background checks
The NICS works to complete BGCs within minutes. Checks have a statutory limit of 3 days after which they proceed if there has been no prohibition found.


but because of loopholes just submitting info to the fbi means the gun shop owner or dealer (that's the law abiding one) gets to sell guns as a "straw purchaser" as many a he wants...(as evidenced by the millions of unprocessed background checks)....and the dealer gets to say that he sold only guns with background checks.....because of a technicality in actuality all across america all types of weapons by the millions are sold with virtually no bacground check; this is how the ame tragedy happened
I'm not exactly sure what you're saying here. All FFLs must regardless of venue, time of day, phase of moon... run an NICS BGC on every buyer. The FFL may delay the sale while the BGC is in progress. The NICS and any state checks have 3 days by law to render either an okay proceed decision or a denial and reason. After the 3 days, the sale proceeds with or without a BGC decision. BGCs that take longer than 3 days and are returned with a denial AFAIK go to either ATF of FBI who take steps based on any laws that may have been broken. Sales between private citizens must follow state laws. Various states mandate BGCs for private sales.


in counties all across america...even tho laws are being passed in every state about background checks ...sheriff's and law enforcement are refusing to do them ..they are openly defiant...because they say they don't have the funding...I believe them...but that doesn't stop the gun dealer from selling guns with unprocessed background check...literally for months the media and the government said dylann roof had passed his background check...and that was all shot to hell when one of the family members went and testified in oregon state legislative session...in salem about how Roof had never passed a background check....
What you may not know: several states have implemented their NICS participation as full Point-of-Contact for firearm purchases. South Carolina is not one of them. I suppose all states have their own priorities in electing what to fund and for how much but the Full POC states (in red at the link: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/general-information/participation-map ) have the FFL contact a state law enforcement agency which runs its own checks of state databases while also forwarding the buyer's data for the federal check. Most of those states look to me to have a strong BLUE influence. Federal money is available for states to use in improving their BGC systems.


tax payers pay billions of dollars to the government every year to clean up the bloody messes of 10's of thousands of murders....33 thousand last year I think
The CDC shows for 2014 33,599 deaths caused by firearm discharge. Of those 21,334 were suicides, 464 were law enforcement related, 586 were accidental and 270 were cases where the intent was not determined. That leaves 10,945 homicides which would include justifiable homicides. I expect the number of justifiable homicides to rather low. ( Here is a link to the CDC database query page: http://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/mortrate10_us.html )


bernie has voted 5 times to block the ability of victims families to sue...gun manufacturers
Senator Sanders voted for the PLCAA (Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act) and AFAIK defends most provisions of the act. The PLCAA prevents those companies and individuals in the industry from being sued for the criminal actions of private citizens. Is that a problem and why?


but instead of going through congress there has to be a national vote
A national vote on/for what?


what do you suggest?
Glad you asked.

1: States need to take a leading role. Every state should be Full POC with NICS.
2: Every state should have at least a means for private sellers to go through law enforcement for a BGC for their buyer.
3: I'm against the death penalty but think violent offenders are released too often and too soon.
4: Most people locked up have no support system on release and return to crime. Help and monitoring are needed.
5: The war on drugs needs to end.

That's a start.

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I agree with this section: Kang Colby Feb 2016 #1
Ownership of military-style rifles and machine guns should be restricted SecularMotion Feb 2016 #3
What past restrictions are you talking about? nt hack89 Feb 2016 #4
Machine guns already are highly restricted. GGJohn Feb 2016 #5
Please define "military-style" n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #6
I guess they are coming for my '03 Springfield too, an actual military weapon DonP Feb 2016 #10
Ooooooh! rjsquirrel Feb 2016 #52
Yes, and it's called an '03 because 1903 when it was developed DonP Feb 2016 #54
You seem to think rjsquirrel Feb 2016 #55
... GGJohn Feb 2016 #56
Did you read our SOP? beevul Feb 2016 #57
Bullshit. They are rarely used because they are *rifles*. benEzra Feb 2016 #39
"It is not necessary to "ban" any weapons" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #48
I've seen 'making up reality' before, but that really takes the cake. beevul Feb 2016 #50
re: "How about "No"." discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #53
Agreed. The control outlook is in the hands of culture war extremists... Eleanors38 Feb 2016 #15
NRA has had carte blanche mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #2
re: "sane laws that actually work" discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #7
well remember please that you asked.... mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #9
It would be helpful if you first knew what you were talking about. beevul Feb 2016 #12
fbi sitting on 3millions mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #13
The number of gun related deaths is 33k. The majority of which are suicides not murders Press Virginia Feb 2016 #19
Hilarity.... beevul Feb 2016 #23
"Swept under the rug"? Ummm, no. The FBI publishes them annually. benEzra Feb 2016 #40
Actually, there were only 11,961 reported murders *using any weapon*. benEzra Feb 2016 #41
thanks and here's my take discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #20
my eyes, what word salad Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #21
"First we both have to agree that gun nuts fetishize guns, violence and second amendment rights" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2016 #22
re: "well remember please that you asked...." discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #36
Can you provide a link to the "million of unchecked background checks" claim? Marengo Feb 2016 #37
Perhaps you missed my reply discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #42
I think you may be tapping the fingers down to a nub... Marengo Feb 2016 #43
didn't know if I should reply mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #45
Well, thanks for answering discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #46
When you're able... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #49
moving on discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #44
Fetishize is exactly right rjsquirrel Feb 2016 #51
Your interlocutor is having a time-out. Something about gun control seems to induce logorrhea... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #58
Who will be coming for your guns, gun owner? Marengo Feb 2016 #59
Hopefully the people can get their message thru the anti-BS. ileus Feb 2016 #8
The "people" send their message loud and clear with each NICS check DonP Feb 2016 #11
Also ammo plants DashOneBravo Feb 2016 #38
"Sea change?" Change of metaphors since "tipping point" seems rusted over. Eleanors38 Feb 2016 #14
Sandy Hook was a tipping point that CAUSED the sea change. nt flamin lib Feb 2016 #16
Don't see it. Gun rights advocates are more mobilized than ever... Eleanors38 Feb 2016 #17
What that 'sea change' in blue Massachusetts looks like: friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #18
They couldn't get an AWB passed in neighboring Rhode Island post Sandy Hook hack89 Feb 2016 #24
Did I hear someone say "tipping point"? pablo_marmol Feb 2016 #25
It has changed. deathrind Feb 2016 #26
This is why we'll never get anywhere. beevul Feb 2016 #27
It's a sad sight to witness otherwise intelligent people in the throes of false consensus effect friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #29
You make a lot of... deathrind Feb 2016 #30
Nope. Going by the evidence provided is not an assumption. beevul Feb 2016 #35
Someone forgot to inform the citizens of Illinois, Minnesota, and Massachusetts... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #28
It will come about in the same... deathrind Feb 2016 #31
Your analogy is inapt. branford Feb 2016 #32
Your, deathrind Feb 2016 #33
And your lack of a cogent/honest response is noted as well. pablo_marmol Feb 2016 #47
You conflate criminal misuse and lawful use friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #34
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