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pablo_marmol

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19. "But determining what the facts are is not easy."
Fri Feb 5, 2016, 07:59 PM
Feb 2016

Perhaps......but neither are they as difficult to obtain than True Believers would want the public to believe. It is very telling the degree to which Controllers ignore what James Wright, Peter Rossi, Gary Kleck and other liberals have to say on the issue.

Does the first fact lead to the second?

Highly unlikely, since......

1) Take away 100% of the gun violence in the U.S., and we still kill each other at a higher rate than other 'developed' nations, and

2) Hard to ignore the inverse correlation between escalating gun purchases and the decline of gun violence since '93

Don't believe for a moment that a large percentage of the population doesn't recognize the manner in which you cherry-pick your "facts".

The arguments over the real meaning of the Second Amendment, with correspondingly different interpretations of original intent, are another area of intense disagreement.

Only because The Controllers ignore the FACT that the vast majority of constitutional scholars and historians see the 2nd as an individual right rather than a collective right. And we all know how right-leaning academia is now, don't we?

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Fear can cause any herd to stampede. guillaumeb Feb 2016 #1
Yes, it causes all sorts of idiocy, like the desire to ban rifles... beevul Feb 2016 #2
While we obviously disagree, guillaumeb Feb 2016 #4
Disagree all you like... beevul Feb 2016 #5
"While we obviously disagree........." pablo_marmol Feb 2016 #11
But determining what the facts are is not easy. guillaumeb Feb 2016 #14
Changing the subject, and/or moving the goalposts... beevul Feb 2016 #15
You ignore my cites because the facts given do not support what you are determined guillaumeb Feb 2016 #16
No, I ignore your cites because you ignored mine. beevul Feb 2016 #18
The Heller decision has been debated here ad nauseum. guillaumeb Feb 2016 #20
Thats a fancy way of saying that you can not support your position or your assertions. beevul Feb 2016 #23
"But determining what the facts are is not easy." pablo_marmol Feb 2016 #19
inverse correlation between escalating gun purchases and the decline of gun violence since '93 guillaumeb Feb 2016 #21
Never claimed that more guns are *needed* - so no need to defend that "logic". pablo_marmol Feb 2016 #22
facts: yes/no/maybe some discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #25
Imagine if you will the illusion that bans equal safety... ileus Feb 2016 #10
"More guns mean more unnatural death." Thundering error. The data points the other way. Eleanors38 Feb 2016 #12
For shame! discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #13
An interesting way of saying "I don't have facts to back me up, but...." guillaumeb Feb 2016 #17
Here are those facts you were asking for. beevul Feb 2016 #24
DEAR GOD! Won't somebody stop that guy? DonP Feb 2016 #3
I saw him the other day Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #6
No bathroom breaks? branford Feb 2016 #7
lots of red bull too Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #8
For the first time in many years I only have one or two guns on my list. ileus Feb 2016 #9
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