Gun Control & RKBA

pablo_marmol

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11. "While we obviously disagree........."

Thu Feb 4, 2016, 11:53 PM

Feb 2016

Don't you just love the sleazy manner in which Controllers purposefully confuse 'disagreement' with honest disagreement?

Honest disagreement occurs when.........

1) Neither party has contempt for the verdict of empirical evidence. (Which is say, neither party to the debate is arguing from a faith-based footing)

2) Both parties have expended a fair amount of effort researching the issue at hand

3) Both parties have roughly equal amounts of knowledge regarding the issue at hand.

If conditions 1 - 3 are met, then honest disagreement can occur w/regard to how the facts relating to gun violence are interpreted. Of course, The Controllers (or True Believers, if you prefer) fail on points 1 - 3. Which demonstrates that they "disagree" on something much more profound than issues surrounding gun violence.

Controllers believe that they are entitled to their own set of facts, while RKBA supporting Dems believe that nobody is entitled to their own set of facts.

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January Gun Sales Set Yet Another Record [View all] beevul Feb 2016 OP

Fear can cause any herd to stampede. guillaumeb Feb 2016 #1

Yes, it causes all sorts of idiocy, like the desire to ban rifles... beevul Feb 2016 #2

While we obviously disagree, guillaumeb Feb 2016 #4

Disagree all you like... beevul Feb 2016 #5

"While we obviously disagree........." pablo_marmol Feb 2016 #11

But determining what the facts are is not easy. guillaumeb Feb 2016 #14

Changing the subject, and/or moving the goalposts... beevul Feb 2016 #15

You ignore my cites because the facts given do not support what you are determined guillaumeb Feb 2016 #16

No, I ignore your cites because you ignored mine. beevul Feb 2016 #18

The Heller decision has been debated here ad nauseum. guillaumeb Feb 2016 #20

Thats a fancy way of saying that you can not support your position or your assertions. beevul Feb 2016 #23

"But determining what the facts are is not easy." pablo_marmol Feb 2016 #19

inverse correlation between escalating gun purchases and the decline of gun violence since '93 guillaumeb Feb 2016 #21

Never claimed that more guns are *needed* - so no need to defend that "logic". pablo_marmol Feb 2016 #22

facts: yes/no/maybe some discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #25

Imagine if you will the illusion that bans equal safety... ileus Feb 2016 #10

"More guns mean more unnatural death." Thundering error. The data points the other way. Eleanors38 Feb 2016 #12

For shame! discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #13

An interesting way of saying "I don't have facts to back me up, but...." guillaumeb Feb 2016 #17

Here are those facts you were asking for. beevul Feb 2016 #24

DEAR GOD! Won't somebody stop that guy? DonP Feb 2016 #3

I saw him the other day Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #6

No bathroom breaks? branford Feb 2016 #7

lots of red bull too Duckhunter935 Feb 2016 #8

For the first time in many years I only have one or two guns on my list. ileus Feb 2016 #9