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jimmy the one

(2,720 posts)
5. time flies, in camden too
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 11:33 AM
Oct 2015

dscnt: Look at Camden. The 2012 murder rate is 86.3 per 100,000.. A city with a murder rate over 18 times the national average has to be doing something wrong..

One wonders why you go out on a limb & say that using 2012 year stats. Carpe the diem cum 'tempus fugit'. You also chose a year 2012 where Camden had about a 50% spike in murders, the usual murder total appears about 45%.
2002: 33 (40.5), 2003: 41 (51.2), 49 (60.8), 33 (41.2), 32 (40.0), 42 (53.2), 54 (70.9), 34 (43.0), 37 (46.8), 47 (60.6), 67 (86.3), .. 2014: 33 http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Camden-New-Jersey.html

the murder rate has dropped dramatically, by The South Jersey Times' calculations — from a record 67 homicides in 2012 to 58 in 2013 to a relatively paltry 33 at the end of 2014. http://www.shotspotter.com/news/article/is-camden-really-americas-most-dangerous-city-read-more-at-http-www.phillym

.. New York Times report.. suggesting the city is safer: Shootings were down 43%, violent crime down 22%, and the response time by police to emergency calls down to 4.4 minutes — from more than an hour previously.. the city went 40 days without a homicide.

still ranked #1 in violent crime, but: .. its rankings based on 2013 data, the most recent year for which comprehensive nationwide crime statistics are available. But the last two years have seen an overhaul in the way Camden is policed — and a corresponding drop in violent crime.

dscntn: Newark has a murder rate of 34.4 for 2012. That's less than half of Camden's rate but it's still close to 7 times the rate of New York City.

You are taking a relatively small percentage of new jersey's total population of ~9 million. Newark has a quarter million, Camden under 80,000.
New Jersey STATE murder rate in 2013 (steady past dozen years or so) was 4.5 about at the national avg., 21 states were higher, and 18 of those 21 were PRO GUN states: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state#MRord

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Guns, what works and what's just stupid [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 OP
the explanation is simple EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #1
current federal gun laws are being violated gejohnston Oct 2015 #2
You should maybe speak with your Congress critter about that discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #3
sorry EdwardBernays Oct 2015 #17
Thanks discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #18
If the crime rates are far lower in the places those guns come from... Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #4
Maybe it's just... discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #8
"Make (laws) national and see what happens." Like the 18th Amendment? Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #6
Why does Camden have such a demand for the tools of crime? krispos42 Oct 2015 #12
+1 ^^^ discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #13
Now krispos... beevul Oct 2015 #14
Oh, right... krispos42 Oct 2015 #15
I was just wondering if you were planning to answer discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #16
time flies, in camden too jimmy the one Oct 2015 #5
Stunning progress for Camden discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #7
Am I good or what? jimmy the one Oct 2015 #10
you're fantastic discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #11
A separate issue discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #9
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