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mahatmakanejeeves

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Tue Nov 14, 2023, 02:49 PM Nov 2023

Speaker Johnson: Separation of church, state 'a misnomer' [View all]

I respectfully decline to elevate this to the level of news.

Hat tip, Joe.My.God.


Speaker Johnson: Separation of church, state ‘a misnomer’

BY LAUREN SFORZA - 11/14/23 9:44 AM ET

Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) pushed back Tuesday on the belief that there should be separation between church and state on the U.S., arguing that the founding fathers wanted faith to be a “big part” of government.

“Separation of church and state … is a misnomer. People misunderstand it,” Johnson said on CNBC’s “Squawk Box” when asked about him praying on the House floor. “Of course, it comes from a phrase that was in a letter that Jefferson wrote is not in the Constitution.”

“And what he was explaining is they did not want the government to encroach upon the church, not that they didn’t want principles of faith to have influence on our public life. It’s exactly the opposite,” the Speaker added.

The letter that Johnson referred to is Thomas Jefferson’s 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptists Association of Connecticut, who had expressed concerns about religious liberty. In his reply, Jefferson said that the First Amendment, which bars Congress from prohibiting free exercise of a religion, built “a wall of separation between Church & State.”

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Here's what Jefferson thought:

Sat May 6, 2023: Thursday, May 4, 2023, was the National Day of Prayer. Here's my take on that.

For Religious Freedom Day: What Jefferson Really Thought of Theocrat Patrick Henry
http://freethoughtblogs.com/rodda/2012/01/16/for-religious-freedom-day-what-jefferson-really-thought-of-theocrat-patrick-henry/

For Religious Freedom Day: What Jefferson Really Thought of Theocrat Patrick Henry
Categories: Uncategorized
by Chris Rodda

So, today {January 16} is Religious Freedom Day, the anniversary of the passage of Thomas Jefferson’s Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom. No, I’m not going to post Jefferson’s statute; I’m going to post something cooler than that — one of my favorite lines ever written by Jefferson.

The background: Jefferson drafted his religious freedom statute in 1777 and introduced it in 1779, but it didn’t go anywhere. It wasn’t until 1786 that Jefferson’s statute was passed. Jefferson was in France at the time, so it was Madison who reintroduced the religious freedom statute. This was right after James Madison defeated Patrick Henry’s bill to tax everybody in Virginia to support teachers of the Christian religion.

Jefferson couldn’t stand Patrick Henry and his theocratic agenda, and made this quite clear in one {of} his letters to Madison while Madison was battling Henry’s bill for a Christian religious tax. When Madison wrote to Jefferson asking what they should do about Henry, Jefferson replied:

“While Mr. Henry Lives another bad constitution would be formed, and saddled for ever on us. What we have to do I think is devoutly to pray for his death …”


Of course, the Christian nationalist history revisionists either ignore this line from Jefferson, or claim it is made up by evil secularists to impugn the character of our very Christian founding fathers.

{snip}

{This is} from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson to James Madison on December 8, 1784, and can be found on pages 353-354 of The Republic Of Letters, The Correspondence between Thomas Jefferson and James Madison 1776-1826, Volume I.

Patrick Henry was the first governor of Virginia, and Thomas Jefferson was the second. We really got off to a great start, didn't we?

Mon Jan 16, 2023: On January 16, 1786, the Virginia General Assembly passed the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom
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The new-GOP has abandoned anything resembling integrity, intellectual curiosity, and informed decisions. NCIndie Nov 2023 #1
We've heard for years about nutjob Christian groups that work and pray for the time that they take over our government.. RussellCattle Nov 2023 #2
They can believe all they want to but keep our govt away from ALL religions. flying_wahini Nov 2023 #3
Do you remember when Congressional republicans, in the Tom DeLay era of working for a "permanent Republican.... EarnestPutz Nov 2023 #7
"What we have to do I think is devoutly pray for his death". This from Thomas Jefferson, no less ! Wow, there's some.. EarnestPutz Nov 2023 #4
This is what the hildegaard28 Nov 2023 #5
It says even more. rsdsharp Nov 2023 #12
Language can be so problematic intrepidity Nov 2023 #13
Re-interpreting what the founding father's meant by separation of church and state is what you get when a... brush Nov 2023 #6
The GOP has been doing this for decades. TwilightZone Nov 2023 #8
Yeah, what's the term for doing the same thing over and over... brush Nov 2023 #11
Johnson, a church's tax exemption is not a misnomer BOSSHOG Nov 2023 #9
On January 16, 1786, the Virginia General Assembly passed the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2023 #10
The United States is NOT a christian nation but a nation were you are free to be a chrisitian LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2023 #14
snork. read article 11 please sir. AllaN01Bear Nov 2023 #15
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