Civil Liberties

Downtown Hound

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12. They're under an obligation to defend civil liberties, not terrorism or violence

Mon Nov 19, 2018, 04:26 PM

Nov 2018

And any fool could have seen that they were planning violence. The chatter on their message boards shows that they had been planning for violence for months prior to that march. It's no accident that they showed up with armed militia, shields, and body armor. There had already been violent rallies and clashes in Berkeley prior to Charlottesville with many of the same players involved.

The ACLU can play innocent, but it's a coward's tactic. They could have very easily denied the Nazis in their request for a permit based on past violence and potential for future violence. They didn't. And a young woman is dead because of it. They get no pass from me on that. They share responsibility in her death.

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The Atlantic: The ACLU Declines to Defend Civil Rights [View all] mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2018 OP

But they will defend the rights of Nazis to stampede through Charlottesville Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #1

Are you kidding me? This is Devos' attempt to dismantle protections for sexual assault victims hlthe2b Nov 2018 #2

I see your point about this ruling Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #4

I don't always agree witht the cases ACLU takes, but 1st amendment does require them to hlthe2b Nov 2018 #11

They're under an obligation to defend civil liberties, not terrorism or violence Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #12

They aren't defending the Charlottesville groups against anything but 1st amendment rights... hlthe2b Nov 2018 #16

Please, they are and were just using "free speech" as a cover for violence Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #17

ACLU IS NOT defending violence. As you say, any idiot can also see that the right of assembly was hlthe2b Nov 2018 #18

You don't need a crystal ball of intent for these people Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #19

Using putlic impressions of fact even that we can all agree on, does not rise to the level of legal hlthe2b Nov 2018 #20

Who cares? Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #21

Because they are in business of defending civil rights IN COURT CHALLENGES. Do you not get that? hlthe2b Nov 2018 #22

Oh believe me, I let my concerns be known Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #23

Accusing me of spreading "horseshit" when I have been very polite trying to answer your concerns? hlthe2b Nov 2018 #24

I never said you did Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author hlthe2b Nov 2018 #26

You think I don't know the ACLU's justification for their position? Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author hlthe2b Nov 2018 #31

Oh Jesus Christ. You are hopeless. Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #32

This message was self-deleted by its author hlthe2b Nov 2018 #33

Um, nope. Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #34

Enjoy conversing to yourself . hlthe2b Nov 2018 #35

This is the second time you've said that Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #36

There's a lot of misunderstanding about what the proposed regulations say. Please see this: mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2018 #5

I am fully aware as I have the actual text and I totally agree with ACLU, with whom I have had hlthe2b Nov 2018 #6

Is the WaPo writer's interpretation wrong? mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2018 #7

It is being non-questioning of the intent and loopholes DeVos is building in... hlthe2b Nov 2018 #8

Full disclosure: I am not in the Betsy DeVos Fan Club. NT mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2018 #9

I wouldn't have expected you would be. I think there is concerted effort to confuse on this. hlthe2b Nov 2018 #10

And I'm glad they do Loki Liesmith Nov 2018 #37

I dare you to say that to Heather Heyer's mom. Downtown Hound Nov 2018 #38

My take is that they are against Betsy DeVos' Beakybird Nov 2018 #3

Right. elleng Nov 2018 #14

'But the ACLU opposes the new rules for campuses. elleng Nov 2018 #13

Bad headline, ACLU does NOT decline to defend civil rights. elleng Nov 2018 #15

Thank you for clarifying the ACLU's position. SharonClark Nov 2018 #29

You're welcome. elleng Nov 2018 #30

A bad headline. PoorMonger Nov 2018 #28