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9. I read that GHG emissions to build a car (either EV or ICE) are about the same as what an ICE car
Mon Jan 27, 2020, 05:35 AM
Jan 2020

emits driving an average amount over the car's lifetime. So if you can figure out how to do without a car, that would be a big deal for the environment (though if you use taxis or Ubers one has to figure that the car use per trip in miles is as much as double what it would be if you had a car -- because the Uber driver has to drive to your place, and then when done with you, drive to its next pickup point, and I read that about 1/2 of an Uber driver's mileage is other than carrying a customer. Or was it 60%?

On most U.S. electric grids, an E.V. is not much cleaner as far as GHG emissions than an ICE car, given the low 30-40% efficiency of the electric power plants, and that the load-following plants on an electric power system are mostly fossil fueled. But that will change with time, but right now EV's are not that much cleaner when all that -- and transmission line losses from the power plant to where you charge your car -- are considered.

But if you charge mostly overnight, and are on a grid with a sizable amount of wind energy, I think the picture is much improved because a lot of wind is dumped during low-load nighttime hours by utilities -- and by charging at night, that's that much less wind energy that is dumped. An environmental freebie.

During higher-load daytime hours, the wind energy is used to the maximum of its capacity, likewise solar; and any increment of the utility's system load (such as caused by charging a car) will come from fossil-fueled plants. (I worked in the planning and the system operations departments of an electric utility).

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use the 2018 and save your money Fresh_Start Jan 2020 #1
That depends on what other options Phoenix61 Jan 2020 #2
The same for me exboyfil Jan 2020 #3
Are those the only two choices? PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2020 #4
No, there are at least two other choices. Quemado Jan 2021 #20
I don't want to wait another ten years or more PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2021 #22
I'm thinking about buying a used EV kimbutgar Jan 2020 #5
I was considering a hybrid for my next car a Toyota RAV4. The ICE RAV4 gets 38 MPG doc03 Jan 2020 #6
Give the market time to sort out.. Mopar151 Jan 2020 #7
My husband often says this Freddie Jan 2020 #8
I read that GHG emissions to build a car (either EV or ICE) are about the same as what an ICE car progree Jan 2020 #9
Even in regions with mostly a coal powered grid Miguelito Loveless Jun 2020 #11
I'm trying not to buy another car at all, because the GHG emissions to build a car are about half progree Jun 2020 #12
Then I would recommend a used EV Miguelito Loveless Jun 2020 #13
I'm struggling with the used car thing, I feel even if I buy it used, I am still responsible progree Jun 2020 #14
All valid points, and I would like to make plain Miguelito Loveless Jun 2020 #15
If I buy, it will be used, and I'll certainly look at EV's. However, the homeowner association progree Jun 2020 #16
If we get the current troll out of office Miguelito Loveless Jun 2020 #17
Yeah, uh, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for those robotaxis Calculating Jan 2020 #10
Agreed, but with one nitpick Miguelito Loveless Jun 2020 #18
I'm sold on EV's mac2766 Jan 2021 #19
OP here: My wife and I ordered a Tesla Model Y. Quemado Jan 2021 #21
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